Joaquin Flores joins me for a wide-ranging talk about the history of the Russian State and how that informs the thinking of Putin’s administration and their view of what war they are really fighting in Ukraine.
It is the disconnect between the West’s vision of the State and that of the Eurasian powers that forms a coherent thesis to discuss who will ultimately win out in this fight which is equal parts economic, ideological and cultural.
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Highly important news break! Anatoly Chubais resigned from all his positions and left Russia. Also Former Kremlin aide and ex-deputy prime minister Arkady Dvorkovich stepped down. (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/russia-sees-first-high-level-official-resign-leave-country-over-putins-war). All this makes sense now and all pieces coming together in this ‘Russian puzzle’. The neo-liberal, globalist 5th column (aka Russian Davos base) is being liquidated as we speak. Chubais was one of the most prominent component of the globalist oligarchy in Russia. I assume (and speculate) that there was a recent power switch at Kremlin. The patriotic Euroasian lobby of Russia (Army, Intelligence) took over in a quiet revolution. Sergei Glaziev is back as an advisor to Putin, so are people like A.Dugin who is considered the father of neo-Euroasian ideology in Russia.
This “soft” coup-d’etat must have occurred before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, I assume. Alexander Dugin said in one of his articles last year, that the Russian people are highly apolitisized and there is no way to change the Russian politics by the means of elections. He then added that “however, on historical and traditional basis, Russia can change it’s direction by other means”. This sentence from a guy who intimately knows Russian politics, who was at the forefront during the collapse of USSR (and possibly has intimate political relations at high levels) struck me with surprise. The ‘other means’ could have possibly meant the Russian military.
Notice that Putin’s speeches changed drastically (just read this: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-blames-western-ruling-elite-global-economic-problems). Putin would never ever talked like this before, especially when he said “During a speech that was broadcast live on Russian television, the Kremlin frontman also slammed Russian oligarchs fleeing to Israel as a “fifth column” of “national traitors” who see themselves as a “superior race” and “cannot make do without foie gras, oysters or gender freedom as they call it.”
This is a huge thing to say the least, especially if the word ‘Israel’ is spelled out deliberately. This is the same Putin who once said that it is a “an unfortunate chain of events” when a Russian military plane was shot down killing over ten service members and intelligence agents over Syria a few years back. Either Putin changed had a change of hearts lately (with the help of some high rank military officials?) or he was duping the west for almost 30 years as a good/obedient altar boy. Your judgement.
The other thing is the question in regards to what happened to the 350 billion dollar of Russian money which is claimed to be parked outside of Russia and why Russia did not bring back these funds before diving into the Ukrainian adventure (read: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/03/17/dumbshit-russians/).
In my opinion, one explanation could be that the power switch at Kremlin was lightning fast, that neither the oligarchy could liquidate their foreign assets (i.e. Vladimir Potanin, Roman Abramovich etc.) nor the globalist RCB and its head Elvira Nabiullina did not know what was about to hit them. As expected, Kremlin take over operation (to rid of the globalist 5th column) may have been highly classified and possibly have been executed in utmost secrecy.
@Mathiew, don’t forget that we just went through a very similar scenario (to supposedly discredit planned opposition) with Trump, an establishment insider who appointed Goldman Sachs to run the US Treasury and who significantly contributed to the next phase of globalism which includes the reduction of US influence in the world. The “red man bad” campaign was profoundly successful around the world towards denigrating US competency as a global leader. I know non-US people who sold their American vacation homes and others who stopped US travel completely because of their MSM inspired beliefs that the US had dangerously devolved under Trump. Now the Biden admin is playing a similar role, only this time the CIC is portrayed as a pre-Alzheimer’s moron rather than a womanizing and selfish narcissist. The interim globalist goal right now is to establish distinct polarization between two global encampments. The two encampments will promote strong militaristic and economic divides between the two sides, using the ensuing crisis as opportunity for further homogenization and alignment. USA will be de-throned and become a player in the Western bloc. The Davos crew and western media are now playing the same game with Putin and Russia as they’ve been playing with the US (and Trump), only on a different playing field. Ultimately, both sides of this emerging pre-planned struggle will implement UN sustainability goals and establish further top-down control over humanity (including 4th industrial revolution etc.) as they march towards a single authoritarian planet. In the meantime, it will appear as though the opposite is happening. And MSM will work overtime to embed this belief, as part of maintaining a divide and confusion so that the people cannot align and rise up to stop it. So the current emerging divide is a stage in the plan. Most people who make their living from reading the tea leaves won’t see it, because the tea leaves have been pre-arranged. If people stop following any narrative and just look at facts, all criteria are working towards achievement of UN and WEF goals, on both sides of the divide, even as a single unified system seems to be evaporating. This is a stage. meant to use crisis to solidify goals. Unification will happen in the next decades, after the crisis has been fully taken advantage of and human populations are on their knees begging for a solution.
“And MSM will work overtime to embed this belief, as part of maintaining a divide and confusion so that the people cannot align and rise up to stop it.”
If you think the vast majority of humanity is capable of aligning and rising up to stop anything you are ignoring reality. The vast majority of people will not only do and think what they are told, they WANT to do and think what they are told. If the evidence over the last 2 years hasn’t cemented this fact in an actual thinking person’s mind, nothing will.
So how does Trump’s first move as president factor into your idea of major roundabout plans to introduce the world to the full power of the Fourth Reich? The first thing he did was to pull out of the TPP, soon to be followed by the breakdown of TTIP, both of which were the Great Reset on steroids and MDMA, i.e. enabling the takeover of American industry by VW.
@El Koraco, in response to your question, it’s a very good one. Before I answer, to give you some background about me, I’ve been researching the inner workings of NWO (or whatever label they might be give) and associated people and activities since 1989. I don’t rely on alternative media or other bloggers etc for my sources, although I do follow several as a litmus test and barometer regarding my own personal conclusions and learnings. That being said, there’s not enough room in simple blog comments for the thesis that’s often required to illustrate essential background on comments with far reaching implications. In this case, I’ll just give a small example where the CFR themselves have stated that the TPP would have potentially expanded the US economy and US leadership, which I contrary to the goal of diminishing the US. In that regard, Trumps first move on day one in office helped to prevent further US dominance:
I’m not suggesting US should be a part of agreements lime TPP. But in the bigger picture, the Trump move supported reduction of US primacy and was a strong signal to his play masters that he was on board with the plan.
So, they bring in their guy Obama to nuke the Doha WTO round, which was somewhat free trady, work up the whole TPP and TTIP thing over a long period followeed by a worldwide opposition, they don’t run with the arch plutocrat Hilary in the election, instead replace her with Trump so he can nuke the agreements on his first day, and this is all part of the same plan? Sounds legit.
Dude – there’s a macro picture in the real world whose sum is bigger than each individual detail in the landscape. Whether Trump, Clinton, or Obama see themselves as playing for the same team or not, they serve the same private interests Patton and Montgomery hated each other and oft worked against each others interests but both were committed to the same strategic objective of reaching Berlin. Nobody get’s into the Oval Office unless committed to (sold out to) globalist objectives. The US public was groomed for Trump by MSM for almost three decades. He played to the concerns of patriotic Americans during his campaign, and subsequently played them like a fiddle.
ok, but I do not see how the macro interests align with the groomed partriot turned traitor turned color revolutioned dictator signing an executive order on his first day to undo the Great Reset, the original plan. Why would he nuke the agreement? It was obviously designed to legally hand over a large chunk of the world to private interests, no questions asked, no need for wars or epidemics or anything. How is that part of the same story? Why would the globalists need to diminish the US?
“Why would the globalists need to diminish the US?”
Per my previous comments, there isn’t room for a thesis in the comment section. We obviously have fundamentally different perspectives on world order and how the puppets play for their masters. That’s fine. All the best to you.
The problem with all of you people who promote the idea that absolutely everything is a prefab conspiracy is that you haven’t followed the news, you haven’t read the books, haven’t had the experience, and as a result of all of this, you were never able to reach a theoretical awareness of what is actually going on. You therefore poison any and all meetings of kinds with what amounts to a somnambulic call for psychological help dressed up as a know it all attitude. I would wish you to rot in hell with your thesis, but I know that Shiva has already got me covered on this as we speak, so see you in twenty lifetimes or so.
El Koraco, it seems I struck a nerve. That wasn’t my intent. I really don’t see conspiracy behind every bush, but I will call it in terms of the way the world is being directed. But since you wish me some sort of ill-willed fate where Shiva offers you some sort of 20-lifetime weirdness, I feel like our audience deserves some sort of reply from me. First: You don’t need to overload on the ad hominem when trying to make your point. Try to stick to the high road and stay on topic. Second: I haven’t read the books or had the experience? Really? I’m trying to figure out how best to unpack your odd reply, but you haven’t given me much to work with. It leaves me with lots of interesting questions. For example, by any chance, are those the books I haven’t read the ones that grant you the experience of 20 more lifetimes? I’m fascinated. And those experiences I’ve missed, are those the kinds of experiences that you’ve experienced in all your previous lifetimes?
Find that amazing. And weird at the same time. Question: if Shiva is worth a damn, why will you see me in hell in 20 lifetimes? Sounds like a weak warranty if you ask me. If I were you, I’d renegotiate. There are lifetime plans out there.
I am Catholic and I just wanted to add this. Our Lady of Fatima said that Russia would be the instrument God would use to punish the world for its sins if she (Russia) were not consecrated to her Immaculate Heart which despite that consecration that Pope Frankie did was not exactly what God had requested.
Being consecrated would put Russia under the protection of the Holy Mother of God. Essentially, it would have destroyed the power of the Judeo/Masonic conspiracy. There would have been no WW2, no Davos, Bilderbergers or any of these other Satanic organizations.
I think the term you guys were looking for to describe the Russian state is:
Chekism – Wikipedia
The head of the Russian Drug Enforcement Administration Viktor Cherkesov said that all Russian siloviks (Chekists) must act as a united front: “We [Chekists] must stay together. We did not rush to power, we did not wish to appropriate the role of the ruling class. But the history commanded so that the weight of sustaining the Russian statehood fell to the large extent on our shoulders… There were no alternatives”. Cherkesov also emphasized the importance of Chekism as a “hook” that keeps the entire country from falling apart: “Falling into the abyss the post-Soviet society caught the Chekist hook. And hanged on it.”
During the Yeltsin years, the oligarchs were in charge of Russia, and instead of building a model democratic society, they were more concerned about looting the country. (This is the present condition of Ukraine today.) So, it was this chaos that Putin stepped into in 2000 and the only mechanism at his disposal to rectify the situation was Chekism. If you take the maxim: “You can be an oligarch or a statesman, but you can’t be both.” as a natural law, then Putin’s rise was almost inevitable, as a corrective mechanism to oligarchic rule.
I would say Tom is correct, Putin wanted to introduce Democracy to Russia gradually, however, with the rise of Color Revolutions, Western media manipulation, search algorithm manipulation, and outright election rigging, he would just be handing the State back over to the oligarch class.
2006 Audio Emerges of Hillary Clinton Proposing Rigging Palestine Election
“Chomsky recalls being taken aback that “anyone could support the idea—offered by a national political leader, no less—that the U.S. should be in the business of fixing foreign elections.”
So, under these circumstances, a nation would be nuts to experiment with democracy… Soros and the WEF would have them captured within a decade.
So, as a result, because leaders can’t distinguish between legitimate domestic discontent and foreign influence operations, free speech, free media and open internets are repressed. So much for an “Open Society” for the global future; due to Soros’s activities we will likely end up as a bunch of splintered “Closed Societies”. IMHO
Tom, your podcast is out of sync with the Russians schedule. Last time you recorded twelve hours later the Russians announced development of a Eurasian currency and this time twelve hours after they announce they will only take rubles for gas.
It would seem that Putin is now taking out the Petrodollar since they are now only accepting payment for oil and gas in rubles from hostile countries. Read that as the US and EU for the most part.
the West Slaver nations value Virtue as the basis for superiority and the right to control at will(politics). (a symbol for this could be Fiat money)
The alternate world view is to value evidential provable Integrity for consistency in any circumstance = stable platform for communication and trade(industry). (a symbol for this could be Gold or Bitcoin money)
Putin taking rubles for gas is the beginning of the end for the petrodollar.
And as the Davosians are ready to launch global crypto, in which the compliant will be paid a universal basic income (to be spent as they direct), this development is entirely aligned with their goals. The timing could scarcely be better.
This is not a coincedence.
Wow. So wrong
You’d at least concede it is circumstantially correct?
If the Davosians are ready to issue a global (crypto)currency in some form, then a loss of confidence in the petrodollar is helpful, right?
Hi Ivor, Yes, circumstantially. In December of 1941, Lavrenty Beria was clearing out the Lubyanka to move the NKVD to Gorky. He was looking at the circumstances. However, despite what all of the maps indicated, that the Germans would be in Moscow by the end of the month, what the Western press (including the NKVD and Western intelligence agencies) all missed is that the Germans had no winter uniforms, lubricants, ammunition or gas.
I think the difference you are having with Tom is similar to the one above. IMHO
Is what you are saying based on your viewpoint or are you reading something Tom isn’t? All I am seeing is chaos and disintegration. If one were to look at the outcome of the Second World War, I suppose one could claim that it was an American plot to destroy most of Eastern & Western Europe, along with the British Empire, to gain control of the World, while leaving the economically undesirable parts for Stalin & Mao to administer.
The only thing I can agree with is that Davos/WEF got the ball rolling, but now they appear to be before the gates of Moscow without winter uniforms. IMHO
If you are looking for the most quintessential/iconic event that sums up where the West is today, I happened yesterday. When a Supreme Court Justice to be, of the United States of America, couldn’t define the word “woman”.
Universal Basic Income is simply a euphemism for “ration coupons” and the digital dollar is the “accounting mechanism” by which they will distributed.
I can’t see the rest of the world going along with any of this. If the West wants to isolate itself and put its 750 million citizens on ration coupons, I don’t think Putin & Xi would oppose it, so long as they don’t have to participate, and in fact they may even support it as a prescription for what they think ails the planet:
Mahatma Gandhi: “What do I think of Western civilization? I think it would be a very good idea.”
I would just be interested in what you are reading to put you in opposition with Tom, because I can’t see anything that looks like this is going according to anyone’s plan, including the WEF/Davos.
Ivor’s comments are kind of a broken record around here.
He gives far too much credence to the Davosians and everything that happens in the world is just one more pre-planned step towards the Great Reset.
But I tend to lean Tom’s direction: these people are powerful, but also kind of dumb. They’ve painted themselves into a corner and are absolutely dangerous, but their Reset is not going to happen. Too many competing interests (the main one being the Fed and central banks).
What a great followup to the podcast with Alastair Crooke. Thanks for this.
This is not only the best podcast of yours I have listened to, it is likely the best podcast on the situation right now. Great work, Mr Flores is a real humanist, it makes me happy that they still exist. It seems to me that many of commenters here are in a state of cognitive dissonance, they are hooked on this Great Reset idea proceeding to plan. It was a powerful narrative, but as an idea it really got shattered by the Empire of Lies trope. Let us just give it a few months, I think it will take that long for it to implant, since unlike the Great Reset and new normal memes it is not being hounded into people’s heads 24/7. I hope the Reset fanatics will be able to live without it.
The WEF is not a genius organization, they are just nazi bullies used to getting their own way. Why would they not be, they had all of the cards lined up perfectly for hundreds of years. I mean, historically we shouldn’t even call them nazis, the East India Company is a better term, Davos is a good way to cloak it, but they are nazis and that is it.
I don’t think you need to worry about the ability of the Russian state aparatus to withstand the financial and other types of pressure at all. Russia was never, since it was founded, not in a war, and it has faced down enemies who make the casino looters look childish. The big question we were facing was how far they would take operation Z. However, ever since they announced denazification as the goal, this was a sign that we could breathe easy. Russia and China and the global south could have easily extricated only themselves out of the burning remains of the collapsing predatory world order, but Russia has decided to take the whole world out. I don’t really understand why, it would have been easier to just wall the nazis in and let them consume themselves. I guess it was an operational assesment of some kind. Make no mistake, the world will be denazified, it might take decades, but you will live to see it. There is simply no stopping it now. Also, I don’t understand why you find the idea of white hats inside the American system as heretical. The USA is, like the rest of the “first world”, under nazi occupation, and resistance movements are a natural reaction to this. If you really wanted to be satirical, you could call them partisans.
Joaquin is a truly excellent guy. I have really enjoyed getting to know him in recent days.
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