Today Hungarians go to the polls to decide their future. What they may not realize is that they also are deciding on the future of most of the European continent in the process.
Sitting Prime Minister Viktor Orban is vying for his fourth term in office, having been in power for 12 years and he is under intense opposition from within and without. It’s an open secret that Orban is reviled in Brussels.
And because of his basic sense of common decency and nationalism that means he must be removed from office in order to ensure the full consolidation of power with the European Commission and European Council.
That only happens with his removal and a Brussels-centric puppet controlled by George Soros and the Davos Crowd put in his place. There is a real sense of desperation surrounding this bid to remove Orban.
The formation of a ridiculous Not-Orban coalition of no less than six parties, none of whom would piss in each other’s mouths if their throats were on fire, is pure desperation. It is the apotheosis of the Davos strategy to put in power weak coalitions that can be torn apart at the seams but whose members are also so enamored with being in power they won’t collapse the government as popular opinion turns against them.
This is how Davos engineered Mario Draghi’s takeover in Italy. Five Star Movement cut a deal with the Democrats to oust Lega despite the polls being completely against the idea of such a government after Matteo Salvini pulled out of his coalition with Five Star back in 2019.
Germany’s ‘Traffic Light’ coalition members have almost nothing in common but in no way will you see the FDP, for example, pull out of it with their sinking poll numbers, now just 8%, even though they could. Instead, we see Finance Minister and FDP leader Christian Lindner doing exactly what he was put in power to do, gum up the financial works and prep the stage for the transference of Germany’s power within the EU to the EU.
But all of that unravels if Orban is free for another four years to veto every stupid and belligerent idea that comes out of the European Council. Hungary is already under financing sanctions from the EU over their anti-LGBT laws, threatening to block distributions from the EU budget.
The EU have already gotten the Poles to knuckle under because the Poles are dependent on Germany for gas flows thanks to their own intransigence in cutting deals with Russia for energy.
Hungary, on the other hand, has energy independence from Brussels by having contracted directly with Gazprom for natural gas via Turkstream’s train that goes into Serbia and Hungary. This should give you some context as to why the EU is trying to sanction Serbia and cut off the flows of that pipeline where it crosses EU territory in Bulgaria.
With a fiscally, monetarily (they are not on the euro) and energy independent Hungary there is little argument for them staying in the EU if Brussels is going to treat them as second class members. Orban and his government have been resolute in their refusal to get involved in the Russia/Ukraine conflict even though there has been serious pressure applied by NATO.
This helped Orban in recent polls along with the war itself. The natural tendency is to not change leadership during a time of crisis. So, I don’t anticipate Orban having much trouble winning the election, if the election is anything close to ‘fair.’
And that’s the crux of the conflict.
To ask why the election wouldn’t be ‘fair,’ let’s think through the consequences of an Orban victory.
Hungarians would have a strong incentive to reverse their support of EU membership. It is the one thing that really hamstrings Orban politically within the EU’s power structures.
Orban needs to get past this election to begin making the case that Hungary is not better off in the EU rather than outside it. Then he can then fully express his power within the EU to slow down, if not grind to a halt, any further expansion of EU aggression against Russia.
What Davos has tried to do in response is ratchet up the fear of Russia expanding west and stir up memories of life under the Warsaw Pact, which is the main source of basic support for the EU among many Europeans in the first place.
Putin has made his intentions very clear. The dividing line for him are the republics of the former USSR, not the Warsaw Pact countries. In fact, as Dexter White has pointed out in multiple podcasts (this one in particular), which I and others like The Saker agree with, Russia doesn’t have the force projection capability or desire to do so even if they wanted to much past the Dnieper River in Ukraine no less Poland or Hungary.
So, that narrative is pure fear porn for electioneering purposes.
It reeks of existential fear over what an Orban administration looks like free for four years from further meddling by external forces. And since the EU is already refusing to give Hungary the money they are owed under EU rules, this is an easy argument for Orban to make to the people, post-election.
Hungary standing tall against further European integration while Russia holds serve on its territorial gains in Ukraine would make a powerful argument to most of the Visegrads that there’s an opportunity for life without either Russia or the EU controlling their futures.
The opportunity exists here for a new bloc to emerge which frees many of these landlocked countries to gain access to the Baltic, Black and Mediterranean seas if they overcome their fear of Russia and look West to the threats coming from Brussels.
That would also mark the limit of their war against populism and sets up the possibility of a political earthquake in France later this month when Emmanuel Macron faces off against a surging Marine LePen in the second round of Presidential elections there.
Look for a lot of post-election shenanigans in Hungary if Orban wins the initial vote. The OSCE will use their typical game of using biased ‘exit polls’ to throw shade on the results citing differences between their polls and the official results to gin up anti-Orban sentiment on the ground in Budapest.
We should see a replay of 2020’s riots in Minsk over the results in Belarus. Now, I’m not suggesting that Orban is going to stuff the ballot box like Lukashenko likely did (who didn’t need to), but that will be the narrative constructed all across the western press.
We will be subjected to the worst kind of disinformation campaign against Orban. It will be an order of magnitude worse than anything he’s experienced in the past. I hope for his part that he’s aware of these threats and has contingency plans in place.
We’ll find out this week.
Because the future of the EU hangs in the balance here against a backdrop of forces pulling at it on which the whole of Davos’ grand plans to make the world safe for Eurotrash technocrats possible.
And if that’s not enough of an incentive for everyone to cheat, lie and steal this election I don’t know what is.
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A replay of Trump/Biden?
I think you are correct. Here is a debate regarding Viktor Orban between Frank Fukuyama and Alexander Dugan:
Fukuyama asserts that “Liberal” democracies are set up to protect minorities and Dugan asserts that democracies are set up to reflect the will of the majority of the people, no matter who they are (ie populism).
Superficially, Fukuyama seems to win because he seems to be advocating for Democracy PLUS. But how is his system even supposed to work? Congress votes on a bill and the losing party prevails? A jury votes to convict and the assailant walks free? And this has spilled over into popular culture as well: trans athletes in women’s sports and the fact that a SCOTUS nominee can’t define the word “woman”. And women make up more than 50% of the population.
And here is the most perverse / egregious example I can think of:
Is primary ‘rigged’ against Bernie Sanders?
Wasserman Schultz: “Unpledged delegates exist really to make sure that the party leaders and elected officials don’t have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists (THE VOTERS!). We as the Democratic Party, really highlight and emphasize inclusiveness and diversity at our convention, and so we want to give every opportunity to grassroots activists and diverse committed Democrats to be able to participate, attend, and be a delegate at the convention, and so we separate out those unpledged delegates to make sure that there isn’t competition between them.”
Did I hear that right? This is about diversity and inclusion for Super Delegates? (eg, Michael Bloomberg)
There is simply no way of deciding WHAT minority issue gets championed and WHO gets to make that decision. I think that is why we see phrases like “Our Democracy” and “our rules based international order” coming into being.
It is ironic they don’t use that minority rubric in Climate Science, instead they trot out the 97% figure. (facepalm)
Fukuyama: is the preeminent NeoCon scholar and is “known for his book The End of History (1992), which argues that the worldwide spread of liberal democracies and free-market capitalism of the West and its lifestyle may signal the end point of humanity’s sociocultural evolution and become the final form of human government.”
Dugan: is a “pragmatic realist”, according to the philosopher who created the theoretical foundations for the “great Eurasian project” that inspires the Russian president.
“Democracy PLUS” was once known as a Republic. It is the Republic which protects the minority from the majority. And, you may recall that the United states of America was founded as a REPUBLIC not as a Democracy.
“Superficially, Fukuyama seems to win because he seems to be advocating for Democracy PLUS. But how is his system even supposed to work? Congress votes on a bill and the losing party prevails? A jury votes to convict and the assailant walks free”?
Those are two examples which not the result of “Democracy PLUS”/i.e. a Republic. Congress is bi-cameral with two houses of representation, the Representatives and the Senate. The House of Representatives reflects the majority vote of the States, but the Senate must confirm that vote – and the origin of the Senate was for two Senators for each state, regardless of the population of each state (this honors the minority).
In your second example, a jury assumes the defendant’s innocence until proven guilty. This protects the individual from the State. Also the vote of the jury must be unanimous, which also protects the individual from the State.
BB: That is not the Democracy Plus Fukuyama is talking about. Look who wants to end the Electoral College and the Senate filibuster, and add Puerto Rico and DC as states. It is not the Conservatives but Fukuyama and the Liberals.
Dugan is arguing that the majority / consensus is the primary consideration with in built protections for minorities. Which is akin to the way the US Republic was set up, via the Senate and Electoral College, as you pointed out.
Neither Dugan or Putin have ever argued for the majority consensus to be absolute:
Vladimir Putin interviewed by the Financial Times | FT
Fukuyama’s “Democracy Plus” is best described here, by Walter Lippmann, as “a new elite that could manage the bewildered herd”:
It is not the way the US was set-up as a Republic, although one also might construe that as the Democracy Plus I was referring to, so I apologize for the confusion.
Furthermore, I gave jury example as an extreme example in the Democracy Plus / Lawfare toolbox: ie: “Judgment notwithstanding verdict”… if you get an activist enough judiciary it won’t matter what a jury (of deplorable) citizens unanimously decides. And that would put the American judicial system in line with the rest of the world, where “educated” judges decide more cases than juries.
“Will Viktor Orban Bring Down the House That Davos Built?” Of course not, he is part of the cult.
Wow. So, everyone is in on the game,? It must be nice living in a house of mirrors.
When they run out of ideas, shills always resort to the “they’re all in on it” argument. These people would have you believe that Putin is coordinating with Biden and that Iran & Israel are secretly allied.
Orban was once groomed by Soros but excaped from his tentacles and there is no evidence I know of he is masquerading as a Hungarian nationalist. He is the genuine thing and that’s why Davos and their ilk hate him.
I think the biggest obstructionists to the Eurocrats have been Trump, Orban, Putin, and Netanyahu. Not that I’m making the case for them being equals, or even that all of them are good, but they have presented the biggest roadblocks to the expansion of the Davos Crowd in the recent past. But we are always witnessing the public postures of the Davos Crowd in trying to expel them from power.
I don’t believe any threat about the idea of Putin wanting to re-conquer all the countries of the Warsaw Pact, let alone the former Soviet Union. I think he’d be satisfied to declare victory if he was able to establish a land bridge to Crimea. To those who disagree, I say, Cry Me a Black Sea.
Trump was right; NATO reached its expiration date in 1992.
I agree Kevin. I said all along that Putin’s objective is to secure the Black Sea ports no less, no more. Kiev was a diversionary move – good strategy.
This is still your Achilles Heel – thinking “as goes the EU, so goes the Davosians”.
And I understand why you think that – if the Davosians are just Eurotrash, then Davos IS the EU. And therefore because Orban represents a serious threat to the EU (he does) he represents a serious threat to the Davosians (nope)
The EU is no more important to the Davosians than India or Twitter. Orban is no more a threat to them than Modi or Dorsey.
Because. They. Are. Globalists.
You look and see a bunch of Europeans in charge and think this means they disproportionately care about Europe. Just as you look at Jamie Dimon and think he cares about JPM.
They don’t. They are beyond caring about countries, borders, companies.
All they care about is global governance, and being at that table when the time comes.
And that time is now. They will burn Brussels, Washington, London, the Fed, JPM, Google and Microsoft to the ground to achieve their true goal.
Yes, agreed. They will do ANYTHING including sacrificing billions of innocents. The Khazarian Mafia have no conscience. Evil doesn’t describe it.
Orban should have few problems in leaving the EU especially if Russia were to return Transcarpathia to Hungary. Poland’s revanchism could be satiated by handing back Lviv as well. With a pledge to demilitarize the returned territory Russia would have its required buffer zones and have whatever Ukrainian state remains landlocked and checkmated.
I do not see how you imagine the Visegrad group to turn towards a more non aligned stance, especially if Russia is on one side. Czechia and Slovakia are almost completely owned by the VW group, and Poland has been one of the main staging grounds for US policy in Europe since the 80s. Hungary, France and Italy are the main battlegrounds of the new European front, even though Italy has been mostly conquered.
Hopefully their election process is honest and not like America’s. Because of power plays in the 50 States, criminals were in charge of the 2020 election.
This also brings to mind how honest do we think the mid-terms will be? When you have a fraudulent election that has not even been acknowledged by most of the population…and the people now in power were elected in that fraudulent election…what can we expect?
Thanks for this article Tom!
As a Hungarian citizen I can agree with this assessment of the current situation. I have talked to my circle of family and friends(small sample I know) and I can assure you that people are genuinely confused about who to choose and many don’t like either one of the two main options – Orban or Marky-Zaj Peter. For this reason, I predict an OV win without 2/3 majority this time and the MKKK (Hungarian Two-tailed Dog Party – started as a joke party to take the mick out of Hun politics in general) and Our Homeland (right wing at the more extreme end of the spectrum) to do well and probably hit 5% to get into parliament.
I have been abroad for a long time and only loosely follow Hungarian politics, but it is so disheartening to see the political landscape of today’s Hungary. I voted OV but only for geopolitical reasons and because there is no other party I like at the moment and because I firmly believe that in the long run this is the better option for my country for now. Suffice to say, as a person who is deeply passionate about Hungary and Hungarian culture, I felt sick voting for Fidesz. I know about the myriad little shenanigans that prove to me how little he cares about the people whom he is supposedly serving as PM. Call me naïve and idealistic but I simply cannot accept that this is just how it is when it comes to politicians.
No comment….voting for Orban meanwhile you hate them. Congratulations. :(
Here is the psychological factor also included. Enemy fired all weapons they had and Hungary survived. This encourages others. I live in Eastern Europe and Orban derangement syndrome looks even bigger than Trump one.
One victory more. Serbia had also elections and now it looks like Vucic will be winner.
Worth mentioning that not only Orbán won, but Mi Hazánk Mozgalom (Our Homeland Movement in rough translation) got into the parliament too. They are the only entity in Hungary who name the WEF, Schwab, and their goals. They say they will do whatever they can to halt globalist interests if they can get in to the parliament.
Orbán does seems to be on board the covid bandwagon though, despite the fact that currently we don’t have any bullshit mandates going on, no mask either, but there are rumors of a large vaccine order from Pfizer… Will see what he does after the elections.
its hard to translate házunk-hazánk bro’…
Yes indeed, politicians are to be distrusted at all times, few exceptions (like Ron Paul at the time). Orbán is what I consider to be a better-the-devil-you-know case. But had these other clowns won, it’d been over and out for Hungary. At least now they have a chance, if they make the right (= anti-EUSSR) choices that is.
This covid bandwagon madness has always puzzled me, and still does. Perhaps his “extended family” has some “special interests”. Perhaps the sudden accidents that happened to those who pointed out that these so-called “tests” also deemed motor oil and fruits to be positive had an effect. Perhaps other considerations. He may even genuinely believe in this utter virus crap. I can only guess.
I know more people would have voted for Mi Hazánk had they not had strategic voting considerations. All this is a good sign. Hungarians are sceptic enough to vote the way they did.
In any case, they’ve got the mandate now to work on a better future. To me, Hungary is the best place in the EUSSR right now. Minden fasza !
Totally agreeable lines.
Hello to Everybody!
Orbán won with 2/3 again…
the CIA/traitor-coaliton got about 27% of the seats.
the Our House (Homeland) got 3,5% (7) seats.
at the state of 83,62% of completion.
Thanx for the good vibes!
Blessings from Hungary
Orban does not like Z…
Brilliant news – I am happy for you. Another poke in the eye for the Globalists. Davosman must be pissed.
Hungary was balls-to-the-wall vaccine passports until recently. They accepted loads of EU money to “fight corona.” Want a good litmus test for Orban/Hungary, let’s see what their response is for the next “variant” or next “pandemic.” Let’s see if they re-engage the European Green Pass, along with mass testing and lockdowns. I would say if they do this, the theory that Orban is going to break apart the EU and throw a giant monkey wrench into the Davos crowd is wishful thinking.
if he does NOT throw that wrench, he will be crucified here at home, and he knows it.
Hear him, hear him!
Regarding the above comment that Hungary is the best place to live in the EU; I live in Croatia, and I can tell you that living in Croatia is much better than living in Hungary. Their corona response these last 2 years was far more draconian than the Croatian response. The puppets here in Croatia take the EU money and disperse it amongst their friends; they generally don’t care what the citizens do. Someone in a post office makes you wear a mask or show your green pass; fine, whatever, walk another 5 monies and find a post office worker that doesn’t care.
I wonder how you would judge Slovenia?
Yes, Arthur, they call it ‘controlled opposition’. Everyone has to have an enemy, even the EU dumbos in Brussels.
“Controlled opposition” to what extent? These “leaders” had a mission, and that is to get as many people as possible through any coercive means necessary to take whatever is inside of that needle. They don’t care if they’re “crucified at home.” The polling numbers of most of these leaders are in the tank. Davos has a decades long head start, and they’re not messing around. Nothing tangible has changed as of yet in the EU other than words. Let’s see what actions take place in the coming weeks.
“Davos has a decades long head start, and they’re not messing around”.
Amen! and very succinctly put too. This is what keeps me awake at night. This criminal Cabal has had unlimited funds (literally!) and many years ‘head start’. They are not dumb, contrary to some people’s view; at least they are smart enough to hire very smart people; and these hirelings have set up computer models for their “war games” against the people.
If we do this, then the people can do this or this or this? And we have already factored in what we will do in each of those responses. Tom L.’s podcast (I believe it was #76) made various claims as to how the Cabal has lost important “battles” – I’m not so sure he’s right.
The Cabal only loses if they have not taken into account something important and I don’t believe they do that, ever. Tom’s claims about losing battles (e.g. Trump 2016) are just part of a group of “red lines” – entirely expected in certain of their war games.
we have millions year of head starts, we are eternal souls. that why we fight. as i understand neither of you share this knowledge with us. you believe in the cabal, ‘those who are not jews, but the synagogue of the satan’ (Revelation, search for urself). davos failed from the start. they have to get their war, eitherwise they r flushed out.
Check out Khazarian Mafia, which is what Arlequin is referring to.
I simply meant that REAL Democracy PLUS would be a Republic. I was not commenting on Fukuyama at all. Sorry for possibly unclear language.
The EU is an evil den of vipers.
And right on cue, Orban is awaiting the French election to start up a right wing, (sovereignist), axis in Brussels. It is actually much safer to rig polls than elections; notwithstanding, your Le Pen call seems about right Tom. Now it’s wait and see time….
The momentum may be in her favor in a way we’ve never seen. Remember, no one thought Brexit or Trump would happen either. Orban just kicked their asses. And the French have been protesting Macron for the last three years.
Eventually, those who ignore the people long enough swing from lampposts (in minecraft)
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