On April 1st I had the opportunity to do a panel discussion hosted by Whitney Webb of Unlimited Hangout about whether or not Russia and Vladimir Putin are controlled opposition for the World Economic Forum’s Great Reset.
Myself and Matthew Ehret were on the side of sanity and Riley Waggaman and Iain Davis were going down the spy movie rabbit hole.
For links to everyone’s backgrounds and bios you can go to this post over at OffGuardian.com
On top of the many points Matt and I made during this panel one of the things that didn’t get fully explained is that there is no monolith within any of these major players on the field.
Russia isn’t a unit. China isn’t a unit. Even Davos as I’ve defined them, are not a unit (see my Podcast #75 for my views on this). To lump all of Russia’s actions vis a vis COVID-19 under the simple (and false) dichotomy of pro or con the World Economic Forum, is both disingenuous and amateurish.
Because there is no indication that Russia and China have the same expansive or aggressive posture for global domination that Riley and Iain imply. They may be building similar surveillance systems because they are inherently authoritarian governments.
But that does not imply the same borg-like ambitions of Davos and the rest of the West, who clearly do want to run their singular system worldwide.
But, that fear of sameness between their current systems is all Riley and Iain bring to the table over and over again, ignoring individual actor allegiances, histories, etc. to craft an analysis that seems plausible as long as you don’t look at it too deeply.
In my opinion, they are the worst kind of useful idiots in a time like this, allowing their personal biases and, frankly, neuroses to dominate their public work which, in the end, does nothing more than carry water for the very people they are so completely afraid of.
But, hey, everyone has to have a hobby, I guess.
I mean it when I say in the stream, however, that I have sympathy for them. We’re all scared of the future these people are pursuing. It’s horrifying.
I used to be so scared of the Federal Reserve that I began thinking they were all closet Austrians running around manipulating the real economic levers to get their way.
Guess what? I was certifiably crazy back then. I didn’t need more gold, I needed therapy and a beta-blocker.
And my fears did nothing to craft battle plans based in reason. They did nothing to help my home life, marriage or ability to be a competent father. It was nothing more than selfish and, more importantly, self-important behavior. But, sadly, we all have to go through this to find the strength to master the fear and then find our own ways to contribute CONSTRUCTIVELY.
And if we don’t identify and call out this behavior for what it is then it will split the burgeoning populist revolt against these Davos bastards at the exact moment when we’ve got them on the run and spinning.
Putin as WEF double secret agent is literally the dumbest idea I’ve been confronted with since Ishtar.
This is the last I will talk about this subject. It’s prima facia evidence of everything Dexter White and I have been saying about the quality of the information out there since the beginning of the Russia/Ukraine War. We’ve never seen it this bad and it’s literally turning the entire western world into a madhouse….
…. a MAD-HOUSE!
I want to thank everyone involved. It went better than I thought it would but please let’s put this stuff to bed. There are real villains to oppose here. Click the pic below to watch the event.
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The one thing for me that hasn’t been answered here, even though there’s the attempted expiations of the west and the Davos answer of why which only makes sense from a Kubrick, “Eyes wide shut” narrative which I believe is half right. If you think about it, Nuland and Co. NGO’s poking and prodding for the last 10 years now expiates the matter by getting both sides within the west to show concern through their talking heads. Then again, no one says how it could have been avoided all along. As Mick said; “you can’t always get what you want.” Ukraine passed up a golden opportunity to be a bridge, a Swiss play and they fucked up. Why? Stupid? I guess. Maybe Zelenskyy likes to be the big shot, or really believes in “democracy.” Or maybe just a CIA punk? My vote is the later and for going forward a multi polar world, multi currencies and trades to come out of this would be just what the doctor ordered. Talk about a reset, and an organic one at best. “For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.” Is this that time? Not sure. So back to the business at hand. Try buying rubles to get ahead of this reset and you can’t and that tells you who is truly free.
The east and west might keep their traditional posturing but the system is the same. The west might continue to insist on its exploitative colonial tradition with impact investing which leads to the privatization of everything. The east might play like the old communist – more brutal but not so expansionist. But the system is the same, it is a totalitarian and a resource based technocratic and despotic system under the control of the super rich. Like capitalism is the same system, east and west it is still capitalism. But the posturing of the east as the great western resistance is more like a controlled opposition. The west might want to exploit and destroy Russia, but sometimes it might want to build Russia to be the perfect enemy for example.
Vanusha I think you have the struggle framed the right way. It appears to me that the Western propaganda war is aimed as keeping the trapped Ukrainians fighting and the rest of the world too timid to support Russia outright.
There is a lot going around on the periphery that is related to this. IMHO The recent coup attempts in Belarus & Kazakhstan on Russia’s border and the protests in Hong Kong (MI6) and the election in Myanmar, which the military declared null due to election rigging.
Pakistan (a Chinese ally) just suspended its parliament, with the PM citing US interference and last week there was a national General Strike in India sponsored by the Gates Foundation (and the usual players, Soros & NED) to pressure Modi.
And then in China there are the lockdowns in the port cities, which “coincidentally” will create supply chain problems in the United States.
I also would not be surprised if the recent Dept. of Homeland Security focus on domestic terrorism is designed to make it difficult to organize against Biden… and the same for ridiculous martial law edict in Canada due to the trucker protest. Western solidarity behind all of this can be broken if a realist comes to power in any of the key countries controlled by the WEF young leaders graduates.
I think we are looking at a World War here, that has not gone hot yet; with the US and the West trying to bluff its way through. “Strategic success in the 21st century is not about a physical land grab of territory; that’s what Putin has done. In this century, strategic power is increasingly measured and exercised by economic strength, by technological sophistication and your story… ” ~Dep. NSA Daleep Singh
So, we are all being played as chumps here, as far as real information about the Ukrainian war is concerned… what we (the American people) know about the war is not important to the US national security state…so if a person wants the truth, they will have to dig for it. IMHO
So this is then is because they all go to the same banks?
LOL! That’s my wife’s favorite scene from Planet of the Apes. It’s a madhouuuse!
Tom, I don’t think there is any reason for you to be condescending to Riley and company. Even if you’re right in the assessment of the situation, your take hasn’t been proven. Go read Putin’s biographies where he discusses being very chummy with Kissinger and meeting with him a few times a year. Go look at the Russian jab inventor who has deep ties to the Gates foundation. At this stage, you might be right, but I certainly wouldn’t gloat.
And none of those things are real today. Who Putin WAS is not relevant. Who Putin is after dealing with these people for 22+ years is.
It absolutely is my RIGHT to be condescending because their position is frankly utter bullshit and lacking historical context or nuance.
Many people are not familiar with Oriental palace coups mechanism. In the Orient , you first becomes part of the system then rise to hing position and play along to the very last moment so that nobody will suspect that you plan stab Emperor to the back or put varpharine into tea like they probably did with Stalin.
Open rebellion end up only one way. From Nicholas II to Muammar Gaddafi there is a long list of people who demonstrated their disobedience too early and paid the price.
He has said he can be a real prick so why not leave it there? As for the Kissinger connection, that is an interesting observation. What I find equally interesting is that Z Bresinski’s son is the current US ambassador to Poland. They also have a political history. His grandfather was once president of Czechoslovakia and became a Mason. And Z always never had a kind remark about Russia. So we seem to invite chaos, and isn’t the motto “out of chaos comes order.”
Your intro to the panel discussion was the reason I ended up on GG&G in the first place.
If one is familiar with the history of the Soviet Union, the Communist Party eradicated democracy in the country, because they did not believe the worker/proletariat class knew enough to make wise decisions on their own behalf. They studied the way elections were run in the West and observed that people were being manipulated by the wealthy upper classes. They had a valid point. Thus, they set up the Soviet Union as a “technocracy” run by an nomenklatura/intelligentsia/apparatchik class.
And that “solution” lasted for about a year, until they discovered that all they had done was kick the democracy issue upstairs. Any reputable biography of Josef Stalin will reveal that he spent two decades of his life trying to quell the democratic tendencies of his own Communist Party, which resulted in the 1930s purges, show trials and the Great Terror. Thus, the USSR was monolithic for about ten years, when Stalin was at the height of his power and no one would dare question him. And Mao went through similar struggles in China. And Hitler had the Stauffenberg military cabal and the Canaris Abwehr faction serving as a 5th column.
So, in order to claim that today’s elites have some master plan for a Great Reset in motion, that is running like clockwork, then that implies that they (WEF, Fed, Deep State) have achieved a monolithic consensus and outlook that was beyond what Stalin, Mao & Hitler could achieve.
Yes, groups have plans. The WEF “Great Reset” is real… but those are only plans.
RussiaGate was a plan too, initiated by the 7th floor of the FBI and the CIA, but when the curtain was pulled back, we didn’t find the Wizard of Oz but Peter Strzok & Lisa Page. Strzok & Page are the raw material these people are relying on, right out of Chapter 10, of Hayek’s, “The Road to Serfdom”.
The reason I ended up here at GG&G was to get away from the John Nash style pin board analysis of dot connecting everyone else seems to be doing. It was a breath of fresh air to see you and Dexter acknowledge that the plans were real, but also use the history/lens I outlined above to gain an understanding of what is really going on.
That said, I will see how far I get with panel discussion. I am almost afraid to click on the link. (lol)
All of the “results” of this “russia/ukraine” situation are playing into the goals of the WEF. I think it could be planned and cooridinated but I have no way of knowing. But the WEF isnt complaining about sky rocketing energy costs or food costs, both goals of theirs. You maybe wrong on this one jack, or just don t be so confident in what you think you may know.
At most Davos can get some of Europe in all communication with the outside world is broken off. The won’t get the U.S. (people woke up) or Russia/China/India/Iran/Asia/Mideast/Africa/S.America/Mexico. What’s left?
No, they are using it to their advantage in an ad hoc way. This is an improvisation. Think beyond one move into the game. It’s literally the height of arrogance and stupidity to believe that Vladimir Putin, a man who has almost single-handedly rebuilt Russia while staving off the most powerful people in the world for 22+ years, did not think through the first order effects of his invading Ukraine.
You are arrogantly using pattern recognition the same way Riley and Iain did to comfort yourself that these cartoon inbred Eurotrash assholes are all-powerful puppet masters.
The net result is it absolves you of the responsibility to do anything constructive while you tell me I’m the asshole.
Hmmm… Sounds like a ‘useful idiot’ to me.
Thank you for this review. Couldn’t agree more.
BTW, on the subject of surveillance. If there’s a country that has been targeted by international terrorism for real, it’s Russia. Not that anyone loves surveillance, but you can understand why Russia is doing it.
I don’t understand the confusion. Schwab obviously was recruited into the CIA at Harvard, and Davos, an old Nazi outpost, has functioned as a CIA outpost ever since. The old Nazi-CIA nuclear alliance simply continued after the war.
When Putin says he’s done with Nazi’s, this is what he means.
Yeah, and probably anybody pushing any other kind of idea is a CIA shill of some kind.
“I used to be so scared of the Federal Reserve that I began thinking they were all closet Austrians running around manipulating the real economic levers to get their way.Guess what? I was certifiably crazy back then.”
Yes, because thinking central bankers are closet Austrian economists is delusional- and what the Great Reset is really all about is the world’d central bankers, including the Fed imposing an all-digital cryptocurrency regime on us. And what that means is Orwell on steroids: what happened in Canada when Trudeau arbitrarily began blocking bank accounts of trucker-supporters was as clear a warning as it gets- Canadians at least were still free to pull money out of the banks in protest, and many did- but none will have this option with cryptos. Read “crypto,” think “klepto,” Tom
> complain about the surveillance state
> Never read Kaczynski
Thanks for doing that debate Tom It must have been very hard not to strangle those people. Just reinforces that you cannot talk with them. There arguments are based on some intangible vapor and everyone is supposed to nod there heads in appreciation. Makes me sick.
I really didn’t want to, but in the end I do believe it was valuable.
Seems to me there is some unwarranted and unhelpful vitriol between the two sides in this ‘sanity’ vs.’spy rabbit-hole’ debate. Don’t ask me how, but I know for a fact Vlad WAS the creature of the ‘Inbred Euro-Trash’ and that he has gone rogue as far as they are concerned. So he was spooky ‘Controlled oppo.’ You(TL) are right that he no longer is, and that gold based currency is fundamentally at odds with #NATO’s fairydust currencies, and that the #BRICKS are fronting off / demanding greater equity with / against #NATO. Seems to me that that truth is not at odds with Iain and Riley’s “Who Cares, they are all implementing Digital_ID / Bio-Surveillance / DigitalCurrency Social Credit systems” position…which as you agree, is the terrifying bit…and they are all using #TheGreatCovid19Fraud & #TheGreatUkraineShitshow, as a means of implementing the scary bit. From their perspective “If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and walks like a duck, chances are its a duck”…Who cares if it’s got gold or fairydust in its pocket?…Either way we could still end up embroiled in WWIII … Fingers crossed eh…
This was a great debate. I’ve been reading your articles for a long time, you express complex issues succinctly, this debate was no different. Even though the Russia peg to hold appears it will bring the paper scheme down in a genius move…I feel you don’t give adequate explanation as to how the same totalitarian Covid controls being implemented world wide is a different control grid when Russia implements it. I feel Riley was trying to get to that point but didn’t ask it explicitly. The same measures appear to make them all tared with the same brush, appearing to have the same end goal.
Perhaps you could tease that out in an article for us?
Sure, technology can be used in a number of ways. And one of the points not made (time, forgetfulness, etc.) is that many of the things Russia has been doing have been in response to unrestrained aggression from the West and it can look like the same thing but it’s being implemented out of a sad necessity.
American adolescent libertarians can’t handle this type of analysis… it breaks their moral superiority.
Thanks again, Tom. You make excellent points. I wonder if Putin was pushing for protection from Covid because Ukrainian biolabs are a genuine concern ( as we’re learning now, they planned to disseminate pathogens over Russian territory using drones).
I don’t have time to watch the video, so maybe this was brought up at some point, but I think the theological and philosophical elements cannot be emphasized enough. There’s autocrats and totalitarians, but as the Holy Roman Empire and Bob Dylan elucidate, you gotta serve somebody, and who that is REALLY matters.
We know what modernists (secular humanists, neo-communists, scientismic materialists, feminists, the whole lot) believe, they are essentially atheists who either worship the creation rather than the creator, themselves, or something weird and tangential. Assuming the natural realm was created by something greater than ourselves, which is a no-brainer, then a world view predicated on human beings being smart monkeys that happen to be at the top of the heap is explicitly upside-down and, because of that flawed primary principle, ALWAYS in error. Put differently, the failure to realize that the universe was created and functions from the top down necessarily spawns delusional interpretations of experience.
That is not the same as saying that the proper perspective always imparts wisdom or that someone with an upside-down view of reality can’t learn something correct from someone who is not similarly delusional, but it can serve as a good guidepost of what to expect from whom.
So, the Davosauros is delusional through and through. China is the most consistently agnostic culture in history, which is from whence the current government appears to hail (as opposed to the long-suffering Chinese people). The western elite has been coopted by Schwab or, as A to Z says above, vice versa and are busily building a Tower of Babble, which we know did not occur once upon a time but every time. Perhaps the Chinese are as well, but peoples do sometimes come to their senses.
What about Russia? I know little about the genuineness of Putin’s Christianity, but I do know that Russia has been building 3 churches a day and 1000 churches a year for the past few decades, something that has never happened before in the history of the world.
It seems to me that matters. A lot. It also matters that the Ukrainian people may remain deeply Catholic despite the efforts of Davos to corrupt them. And that is true of much of America, not to mention most of the global south.
In other words, I like what I’m seeing. It’s a pleasant surprise and reason for cautious optimism. And it seems unlikely that Russia and Davos are even strange bedfellows.
The Christian scriptures tell us that there is a spirit that is working in the sons of disobedience. So, it makes sense to me that this spirit, or “the prince of the power of the air” can orchestrate in such a way that many of our world leaders to dance to his tune, a common agenda, while this is perhaps unbeknown to them. I think that’s why perceive common agendas globally, without there being, necessarily, a self-conscious conspiracy or plan on their part. They’re willing fools being led along with hooks in their noses.
We can debate this Davos thing, but the elephant in the room are the vaccines. If these inoculations are as deadly as some are saying, all bets are off. More bad news today from a friend diagnosed with cancer. Her Doctor told her to not take any more vaccines; said she’s seen a large uptick in cancers and cancer reoccurrences. Gotta give this doctor some credit for cutting my friend off, who was an ardent supporter of these jib-jabs.
The clot shot has already killed many and will do in many more, fortunately a much greater percentage of the crazies than of those with feet on the ground. But as a mechanism for herding everyone into digital cages, which seems to be its primary purpose, it has been a failure. in fact, it probably damaged the Davos scheme more than it helped by alerting many of the frogs to the need to jump out of the pot. Lots of collateral damage for sure, but I think they’ve run out of ammunition with that one.
Spot on. And whether it was a reflection of Putin and Xi being on board with the great reset or not entirely misses the point that some of us have been making for quite some time. It is a point that is not refutable, which is that, in practical terms, the differences between the competing factions/power blocs -if one is of the view that there are competing factions-which I am, are, at best, subtle.
Putins’ and Xi’s jab campaigns, whatever their differences may be to one another, let alone their collective differences to the west’s all share something deeply unfortunate with one another. No one’s non sterilzing junk, which they all are, because no one has ever succeeded in creating a non sterilizing vaccine against a respiratory virus, are potentiating mass death. In the west they are doing it in two primary ways, by potentiating ADE and via the transfections which deliver the higly toxic S1 (spike) protein. In the east, they appear to have steered clear of the latter, but definitely not the former.
So, tragically, here we see a strong convergence with respect to the responses from the adversarial parties which is reminiscent of the nuclear arms race but with far more devastating immediate consequences.
Luongo has to be either a complete ignoramus or ‘in’ on the game not to acknowledge/discuss this exact point: the global pandemic episode has enabled a supranational entity (i.e., WHO/WEF et al.) to inject billions of people with an experimental genetic therapy; with the fallout from said ACT OF COMMISSION/OMISSION, most plausibly, resulting in millions, nay billions of people, at best, injured; and, at worst, experiencing an early expiration date. That is all! RGB-Y2 out!!!
Just typed into Youtube, “Russians rescuing civilians in Ukraine war 2022.”
Not a Russian in sight. BUT…..Russia in total collapse, mass casualties, etc etc total page of propaganda served via a nasal gastric tube. (The word is Putin now has cancer: bet it’s ain’t cervical!
Just found out the Russian Airforce is still on standby! Its all Rockets and Grunts.
Compare it to the US/NATO carpet bombing in Baghdad. No wonder “Bob” went nuts.
The West really has gone ‘Mad’ like you say. Trump started it, for sure.
As someone said in a comments page somewhere.”Too many silly women in too many high places.” Germany and Britain are really good at it. New Zealand is in with a chance. First Tranny Polly no less.
Australia to send $25 million bucks of weapons to full on Nazis in Ukraine!!!! …Just google Hospital/ambulance ramping in Australia. …..No money for the people, some folks die in the back of a Ambo van waiting for medical care.
MOAR boosters, 10% to the Big Guy. Wear your mask in the shower sheeple.
Russia superficially played along with the globalist C19 narrative because it was a fight they could not win. Instead, they created their own benign vaxx and offered it to their people on voluntary basis. They blocked the killer gene experiments of the West masquerading as a vaxx from their borders. They took care of their own. They were decent and honorable. The current Russian government are on the side of good. If that isn’t patently obvious to any person, then they are not thinking.
JustTruth: I think there is something to that. The virus origin & vaccines are still a mystery… in terms of who knew what and was it deliberate or accidental, etc. Too much to get into here.
However, there is the “panic element” to consider that may have forced the Russians to respond in lockstep with the West.
Sam Harris literally lost his ability to reason during the pandemic… and there was an epic battle between Harris and Brett & Heather Weinstein over the virus origin, morbidity and vaccine efficacy. I expected more from Harris but he literally went off the deep end.
At the time of the pandemic, Russia was still an open internet society, so there were a huge number of well respected people, like Harris, in panic demanding government action and protection. And there were a number of WEF oligarchs willing to provide it. So, the crowd could have easily pushed Putin’s hand. All you would need is a Russian broadcaster, with the stature of Sam Harris, to claim the government was killing people and Putin could have had a Color Revolution on his hands. The crowd forcing a ruler’s hand is one of humanity’s oldest archetypal stories: Pontius Pilate and Jesus. It didn’t matter what Pilate thought it only mattered what the crowd wanted. The Salem Witch Trials are another example,
And that is one of the most insidious things about the era we are now living in. All you need to do is to get the crowd believing in the wrong thing, and momentum and inertia will take over:
The Century of Self
Western democracy has gone from “trust the people” to “gaslight the people”. Remember Obamacare?
Prof. Jonathan Gruber, MIT: “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage.”
And as long as Putin, Xi, Khan, Modi etc… continue to allow the West access to their people and play the “Open Society” game, they will be in danger of subversion from the West.
And now the world is likely to go down an authoritarian spiral, as what country in the world would experiment with democracy when the evidence is clear that any election they hold will be subverted by “corporate fortification”, Google algorithm manipulation and CIA funded NGOs?
I don’t know if Soro’s real intent was to create a “Global Open Society” because he seems to be about to accomplish the reverse. IMHO
> “They may be building similar surveillance systems because they are inherently authoritarian governments.”
you don’t have the same kind of governance on a raft in the middle of the ocean surrounded by sharks as you do a luxury ocean liner.
Thanks for the article Tom. The West is a madhouse now and it points to a breakdown in our mental resilience. Fear to the point of paranoia seems to rule our though processes. We have been ‘panicked’ and as such we are easily manipulated by the psychological war that is being waged, everywhere by many players. The unfiltered internet is full of rubbish with very rare nuggets of truth and even these are presented in a provocative fashion. (In Australia our wet weather has been caused by ‘chemtrails’, (aircraft do go into holding patterns when there is thunderstorms at the destination), the Navy or the Airforce, or Dr Doom in Davos turning up the ‘make it rain downunder’ dial). And this crap is allowed to run when it suits the need of the players. Our present Western mindset is the problem. We are full of fear and have lost confidence in ourselves. I feel this is a fundamental point that needs to be considered. I remember VVP being interviewed years ago,… he was asked what it would take to panic the Russian people. He laughed and replied, “nothing will ever panic the Russian people’. Their mindset is different to our ‘be safe at all costs’ and hide in the burrow mindstate. I believe they will die for their values. Something a lot of the west no longer will do. So yes, we are in a madhouse in the west and it is ruled by fear.
In the middle of an alleged War, Ukraine President Zelensky has the time to personally speak to Pfizers CEO Bourla, about low VAX rates…
I watched the entire discussion and I regret the waste of time. Reading your synopsis was adequate and didn’t take 2 hours (or 1 hour because I watched it at 2x speed). It’s unfortunate because we all want the same end goal — individual liberty. Riley added nothing to the discussion, only — “look at what Russia did with covid!!” Yes, Russia has a government, which think they can manage their society and citizenry like all governments do. The concept itself is inherently evil and corrupt (power corrupts, and only the corrupt seek power). It is the reality of all human society, which individualist anarchists hate, but it’s the world we’ve always had and always will. And we have it because the vast majority of people on the planet think it’s correct and want it that way, or think it will never change and passively accept it. True libertarians are a “genetic anomaly”, as Doug Casey always says. Ian totally lost it when he said that going back to the gold standard is the “same old usury”. Tom, your look of shock and hand gestures said more than words could. If nothing else, Matt’s history lessons brought new fresh information that the other 2 panelists, and Whitney (since she obviously shares their world-view), should absorb. And to be fair to all of them (including folks like James Corbett or even Larken Rose), their “solutions”, although a fantasy, are the correct ones — people en masse have the power to defeat all authoritarian power by just creating their own parallel systems that aren’t dependent on governments or other collectivist institutions. Well, that will never happen because that’s not what most people want, and “we” will never get enough people to agree with our solution no matter how many hours of research we do, or presenting meticulous details of “proof” in videos or extremely long articles (most of these folks fancy themselves as writers, ie, like the smell of their own farts). I’m glad you came to that realization Tom, and continued analyzing the actual world instead of one that is impossible.
I think we give the “elites” way too much credit for intelligence in having concocted a scripted plan that “they” are implementing with precision to take over the world.
Having said that, I also think that 50% of the population are blithering idiots, not the “educated citizenry” that Jefferson said we needed to retain liberty.
The danger is, just how desperate are they to get their version of the “reset” that is surely upon us?
So, the question becomes, what will they do next? and just how gullible are the rabble.?
Tom, Riley Waggaman actually wrote this sentence: “Apart from grains, Russia imports nearly all of its seeds. Yes, even potato seeds.”
Potato seeds?! Really?! If he’s not out of touch, then I don’t know who is.
Maybe he meant “seed potatoes” which are genuine.
Il me semble que votre analyse est la bonne, il est vrai qu’aujourd’hui que la réalité est tellement tragique et au delà de toute fiction qu’il est difficile de garder la tête froide et de ne pas céder à la paranoïa. Mais quelque chose se passe enfin et la résistance de la majorité commence à s’unir et pointer vers les vrais responsables en occident. L’important aujourd’hui me semble être de ne pas se diviser pour des spéculations. Au delà de ses motifs, l’action du bloc Russie / Chine offre une opportunité à la majorité occidentale, l’important est de la saisir et de se l’approprier.
Tom may feel frustrated at the “adolesecent libertarians”, but I was very relieved to see that this subject would finally be discussed.
But I swiftly became frustrated too, at the ill-discipline of the moderators and the participants, who were so wholly incapable of staying on point – lots of inarticulate and time-consuming digressions into their pet subjects and areas of expertise, no matter how tangential.
Tom – would you agree that if the West and the East WERE working together, they might maintain the illusion of competition or even conflict? Indeed my argument is that if the controlled demolition of the current monetary order is going to employ a cyberattack, the conspirators NEED a conflict between East and West – a casus belli for the attack.
Someone has to play the Bad Cop.
Of course I accept that conflict also supports Tom’s argument that the West and East are enemies – so whether the East and West are Great Game enemies or Davosian co-conspirators, a conflict between them is not definitive.
But there is one thing that would be.
The Davosians have used central bank power for a century to impose their will – they care not who makes the laws in a vassal country, as long as they control its money.
So………what is the situation in Russian and China? Are the Russian and Chinese central banks independent of Davosian control? And if not, what are Putin and Xi doing about them?
Tom made a comment in passing about the Russian Central Bank, and it was criminally overlooked by all participants – when it was pointed out that the RCB was an active Davosian player, Tom AGREED.
And then insisted that it would “soon be nationalized”.
So here’s the question I wanted asked of Tom or Matthew – “if Putin FAILS to nationalize the Russian Central Bank, would that convince you that Putin has been brought to the table and is now one of the Davosian pod people?”
Hi Ivordeacon, That is a good thing to keep your eye on. There are essentially two ways of doing that. It can be either by overt nationalization or by behavior modification. The second will be harder to detect… but it basically means that the Central Bank will prioritize Russia and its development over international interests. And prior to the war, those interests involved the Russian banks playing ball with the Western banks and being rewarded for it. However, now that the Russian banks have been severely sanctioned, the only real avenue they have left open to them is to try to make money by developing the Russian economy and by investing in production. (Main Street vs. Wall Street). So that may be why Putin has kept Elvira Nabiullina on as the Russian banks have few options but to turn inward? And Putin’s latest edict, trading gas for rubles, did give them something to work with, as the Russian ruble is at parity with its pre-invasion value. Anyway, it is an unresolved issue and worth keeping an eye on. IMHO
I am waiting for the day that you and Tom start seeing things the same way, no matter who is right. :)
Tom – you accuse your opponents of having “gone tharn”. And that by misidentifying Russia as a co-conspirator, they run the risk of opposing the enemy of their enemy.
It’s a fair comment.
But if they are right……………
In that case, you would be misidentifying an enemy as an ally, agreed?
And that seems much more dangerous.
Hampering or failing to join forces with a potential ally might not be fatal, but welcoming a betrayer into your confidence and demonizing any that try to warn of their nature………?
The increased risk surely demands a higher burden of proof?
Hi Tom! I enjoyed our discussion!
I had my own thoughts on this very interesting panel event.
What is interesting to me now is how Trump is starting up the rallies again and he is saying that a strong sovereign US is what is needed. He is acknowledging that the path of Russia and China is valid. He is not demonizing them and is saying that the enemy of the people is the radical left not Russia.
I think if Trump is saying this openly then that is significant. This will be the MAGA platform. Election fraud is the open question. I wonder if all the illegal immigration is being directed to swing districts where they will be illegally registered to vote and then their info used to create fraudulent mail-in ballots. I would not put anything past the Obama regime people at this point.
There is a great book on this subject, the USA and the New world order. It’s a debate between prof. Olavo de Carvalho and Alexander Dugin
Thanks for settling this issue. I am also tired of some people in the alternative media (including some commentators here) repeating ad libitum the same “conspiracy theory”, which is China and Russia being in the same boat with WEF.
There is absolutely no concrete evidence to support this nonsense theory. If it was, we all had been long deep into the dystopia called Great Reset. My observations are:
1- Listen to speeches of Chinese and Russian leaders at virtual Davos meeting of last year. You can see that these speeches basically came down to a diplomatic middle finger to Davos.
2- Both in Russia and China the so called ‘woke culture’ is being banned. China even banned trans and afeminine actors and singers from state TV channels. China also limits access to Facebook, Instagram type of propaganda tools used by neoliberal order (aka Davos). China is tightly controlling Chinese oligarchs (like Alibaba etc.). Some of those Chinese oligarchs are rumored to have ties with Davos (For instance the Lee family of Hong Kong etc.).
3- Failed regime changes in Belarus, Kirgizstan etc. indicate Russia was one of the powers in the background (China as well?). Similarly US is kicked out of Afghanistan last year, Armenia’s president who is a wellknown Soros puppet was given a good slap. If Russia and China was with WEF these events would have never happened in such a humiliating fashion for the west.
4- Davos infamous front man Soros came up with his own rare video accusing Xi Jinping as the most dangerous man in the world. China’s state media called Soros a ‘financial’ terorist before. Is China a member of Davos? Think again.
5- Russian invasion of Ukraine is another sign that Russia cannot be with Davos which controls EU and partially Nato (partially because US military is not willing to play along so far). One of the Rothschilds did a very unusual thing and wrote a twitter message saying that the invasion of Ukraine by Russia is detrimental for Europe, western economies and the ‘Rule based Order’ (aka Great Reset). Could Russia really be part of Davos?
6- Some of the hardcore neo-liberal Russian oligarchy fleeing Russia is another indication that Russia is not part of Davos. Anatoly Chubais was one of the worst certified Davos man in Russia and left the country. Sergei Glaziev, a hardcore Euroasian theorist and financial expert is back at Kremlin after decades of political exile. He is everything but Davos. Ruble backed by gold was one of his ideas.
7- Attack on ruble (and also Turkish lira a few months ago) was a Davos game which failed miserably. Davos obviously wouldn’t like to see the ruble and renminbi as world currencies, especially if they are backed by gold. Fake paper gold and metals (COMEX, LME) was the game of globalist ponzi scheme, which allowed Davos to accumulate so much power in the first place.
8- Libor scheme coming to an end this year was also against Davos powers (EU bankers). I agree that commercial banks and Powell have lots to lose if Davos succeeds in destroying the US. So there is absolutely a resistance in the US of everything Davos. Biden failed in almost every move he initiated for over a year which is telling. Not to mentions constant leaks by DoD and Pentagon which doesn’t please the Davos puppets in the US. Defence secretary Austin declared that the US military has no appetite for a war with Russia. This is an indication that US army does not want to play along Davos to become useful foor soldiers for them.
9- There are all the indications that the current Status quo in the world bringing more harm to Europe than to US, Russia and China. Europe is Davos and obviously Davos wouldn’t like to shoot themseleves on the foot. The argument is that Davos wants to collapse the world economy. I can mostly see Europe is failing big time.
10- Around 70% of world did NOT condemn Russian military move into Ukraine. This includes ALL Africa, South America AND Middle East. If Russia and China was in the same boat with Davos, do you thing that would have ever happened?
11- Today in Pakistan the ‘non-confidence’ notion has been stopped. This is extremely important for both Russia and China in terms of geo-politics and BRI. Does anyone really think China and Russia just stayed on the sidelines and just looked at US globalist Davos deep state pulling a color revolution in Pakistan? The Davos linked neocons of the deep state are becoming more and more irrelevant on the global scene, thanks to Russia and China.
Because controlled oppositions have existed, many are falling into the logical fallacy that all opposition is controlled.
Yes, this is the essence of the argument. It’s easy to fall into simple pattern recognition traps when you’ve been disappointed in the past.
Wow, exactly what I suspected starting about a year ago. You’ve admitted you have past and present mental problems requiring medications.
Waggaman has done great service in revealing the true state of what is going on in Russia. I recommend you read his articles before going off and getting personal as you do. He has given us facts of what is happening on the ground, stuff you couldn’t come up with hanging out with the gators in the Everglades. Connecting the dots he has presented leads one to reasonably question what you are denying and, instead, peddling as the real truth.
Somebody of Witney’s stature raising the subject and inviting him to debate it lends further credence to this being something one should carefully game out, instead of out of hand glibly dismissing it as you do.
Just to be clear: Whitney is a real investigative powerhouse who sources meticulously (which you never, ever do) and hits the mark over and over again. Waggaman knows important facts that you know nothing of and never talk about, things he has revealed to us in his writings. And then there is you. What exactly have you contributed on the subject? The question I am asking myself is why you would have been invited to that discussion. I don’t see you possessing any hard qualifications on the subject, nor any track record of accurate pronouncements that would accord you a seat at the table. Where you invited because you just love to come up with crazy stuff and so it would be good fun to hear you blather?
Are we supposed to lend your “analysis” legitimacy based on a “I am a bipolar with reality distortions, now in a depressive, yesterday in a maniacal state” genius whose musings you should take seriously? Dude (as you would say), you need to get back on your meds so that you can come down and think straight (btw, how does that feel when the shoe is on the other foot?).
You’re way too glib, heavily biased with ore-conceptions and intellectually lazy to game stuff out for yourself. You haven’t even read Waggaman’s writings (which Whitney must have done to think he might be on to something). Nor have you countered where exactly connecting the dots on them is illogical. Instead, you just make some meds-starved grandios ad hominem attacks giving globalists cover.
What is this indicative of? The limits of your normalcy bias, your intellect, that you are a Putin fanboy, or maybe just controlled opposition. Or is it just a problem with how your neurons misfire, or a problem with the dosing of your meds?
Keep it up Tommy. You’re sure to talk yourself into irrelevance, and then you’ll have to find another gig.
Hi Tom, your 5min explanation at 56min of the unravelling of the fiat money and paper assets was priceless! The rest of the panel did not seem to relate to that which means they probably don’t “follow the money” which makes understanding the geopolitics very difficult, if not impossible. Alasdair MacLeod at Goldmoney.com says Russia would need to price oil and other commodities in Gold to start to lift the paper suppression of Gold. And the more countries that joined in would get things rolling – eg Venezuela could get out of the rut it is in no problem.
Yes Stuart, they all have zero understanding of the subtleties of the monetary system and only a superficial grasp of how it gives Davos the power to do the things they do
Take that away and you change the world
Hello Tom. Enjoyed the “debate.” Sorry for the late comment but work and life limit my time. My comment is too long for here so I put it on my VK with hopes you and the others read and respond to the contents in your future work. Thx.
Sorry, but this whole post was a pure ad-hominem attack with zero real arguments to back it up. I don’t understand how you expect to be taken seriously in public discourse when exhibiting such behaviour.
But, but, Kissinger is the King of the Illuminati and he and Putin are besties!
Look at it this way:
The WEF are Trotskyites.
Russia/Putin are Leninists.
China/Xi are Stalinists.
Trotsky had an obsession to rule the world. He asked Lenin to head the project because a Jewish ruler would not be accepted. Lenin agreed. Stalin was very close to Lenin. No way Stalin would let anyone else rule his kingdom but himself. Stalin got rid of Trotsky. Trotsky retired to Mexico and lived with his memories. The end.
My view: The US will eventually be left to strut around Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.
I agree that the question “is Russia with the vilaigns or fighting them” is ridiculously simplistic :
1) As Solzhenitsyn wrote, ” the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts.”
2) No freedom can be secured with the stroke of a pen, even if it’s by the President of Russia. … but only through the actions of millions of people over the course of many years, while, at the same time, economic-political systems involving hundreds of millions of people are so huge that they carry a lot of inertia.
As an illustration of (1) and (2), the latest news from the Bank of Russia:
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