I remember the 1970’s driving around New York City with my family during the holidays like they were yesterday.
Back then the talk in the front seat of the car between my parents was New York City’s bankruptcy. My dad, NYPD at the time, was as much a part of this as anyone since the Police pension fund helped bail out the city government back then.
The West Side Highway fell down and because of that I grew up with a fear of heights and, especially bridges. I really hated taking the back way (New Jersey) into Staten Island. The mere mention of the Outer Bridge crossing would nearly put me into a panic attack.
I remember thinking then, “If these people can’t pay the bills now, what’s it going to be in ten or twenty years?” Sure, I was a naive ten or eleven at the time and had no idea about capital flight, but the sentiment was sound.
Even then the Emperor was naked to this child’s eyes. This was Rome near the end and the Sword of Damocles hung over the heads of my generation in ways we could barely articulate.
So, for me, the idea of the U.S. breaking up into its component parts has been a constant companion most of my adult life. And, as a libertarian, I always think in terms of secession first, rather than revolution. It sits on my shoulder whispering in my ear the truth of what’s in front of us.
We’ve reached a very important moment in world history. It is that moment where the promises of classical liberalism are failing in the face of a creeping totalitarian nightmare.
America as mythology has always stood as the ‘shining house on the hill’ for this enlightened idea that the wishes of the individual pursuing his bliss creates the community and culture which lifts the world out of a Hobbesian State of Nature.
The war of all against all, (bellum omnium contra omnes).
But America as Mythology and America as Reality are two vastly different rough beasts. And it is that difference between them that is being exploited today by The Davos Crowd to set the process in motion for their next victory.
Brandon Smith at Alt-Market brought up the trap conservatives are being led into today in his recent article. He argues, quite persuasively, that the ‘right’ is being radicalized into thinking about an armed civil war to fight the corporatist left-wing useful idiots in an orgy of violence.
To be clear, what I believe is happening is that conservatives are being prodded and provoked, not to separate and organize but to centralize. I think they want us to support actions like martial law which would be considered totalitarian. Conservatives, the only stalwart defenders of civil liberties, using military suppression and abandoning the Bill of Rights to maintain political power? That is a dream come true for the globalists in the long term. And despite people’s faith in Trump, there are far too many banking elites and globalists within his cabinet to ensure that such power will not be abused or used against us later.
Nothing would give Klaus Schwab and The Davos Crowd more pleasure than turning us into them — willing to use indiscriminate violence to push otherwise humble and decent people into crazed killers and repudiate their inherent meekness, their inherent desire to pursue their bliss, allowing everyone else that same courtesy.
But, leftism as practiced today, is aggressive. It is rapacious and rests on the idea that no one can exist outside their preferred outcome lest anyone see their world for the nightmare it truly is.
Secession is not only not an option, it is expressly verboten.
I’ve made the argument that violence, not secession, is one very possible outcome of where the current political divide is taking us. Brandon uses the situation in Germany in the 1920s/30s as his historical guide. In short, Fascism rose to meet the violence of the Communists with the old monied elite providing the means for the conflict.
The parallels to today are striking. In November’s issue of Gold Goats ‘n Guns I likened the rising frustration of the American right to that of the Fremen Jihad of Frank Herbert’s classic Dune.
When you marginalize the tens of millions of people who produce the goods which sustain their false reality, when you remove their ability to speak their mind and make their voices heard, when you insult them, berate them, hector them and beat them then you will bear the consequences when the sleeper awakens, in Herbert’s words.
This isn’t a threat or an open letter of defiance. This is an observation of what always comes next. These people know that they have been lied to, their children spiritually separated from them. The election was a cruel joke meant to rub our noses in their complete power over us. You can
see it every day on Twitter.
What comes next will benothing short of a Fremenesque jihad by the 70+ million people who voted for Donald Trump. If his allies prove the systematic thievery of the election it will fuel a simmering anger to boiling over into a near-religious frenzy.
Because these are people who still believe in the Mythology of America, they are very susceptible to this programming. That mythology is worth fighting for in their minds.
Brandon Smith, however, is making a finer point which I tend to agree with. And that is that secession, not revolution, is always the better option rather than the pre-packaged violent one which the oligarchs always seem to prepare for us.
To broaden Brandon’s point, I want to challenge the precepts of that American mythology in the hope we can avoid the kind of religious war that is brewing.
There are two wars which bear most of the weight of that mythology — The American Revolution and the U.S. Civil War.
The first one is the good war. It is the foundation of the mythology. We know the narrative: brave colonials fought a war of independence, a war of secession, from the evil English. It brought forth the Founding Fathers, the Declaration of Independence and all the symbology of our shared American identity.
That mythology, while simplistic, held a core truth, that there are some things worth fighting for, when pushed to an extreme.
However, was 1770’s America that extreme a place? Was war the only practical outcome? Or was it the dream of those men whose tolerance for tyranny shallower than the norm. In other words, could America have seceded more peacefully in ten or twenty years’ time?
Viewed that way, this was a war of secession that the English and the Colonies didn’t have to fight. There may have been an equitable way out of conflict. But the colonies chose war just as much as the Crown did if we’re being honest with ourselves.
The Civil War, on the other hand, is supposed to be the shameful one. And from the Mythology side it truly is. Lincoln’s war can only be characterized as a war to prevent secession in the same way that Crown fought to prevent the colonies from seceding.
The mythology states this was the war we had to fight to prevent slavery’s survival into the 20th century. But, was it that? Slavery may have been a dividing line to stoke the passions but it wasn’t the big factor driving the states apart, the Tariff of Abomination was.
Again, if we’re being honest with ourselves wasn’t Lincoln’s war where the ideals of the American Revolution – a compact between the sovereign states – were finally betrayed?
Aren’t we reaping the whirlwind of that war today with a Supreme Court who believes it has the power to ignore interstate grievances because none of the justices, even Thomas and Alito, believe in the compact of equals today?
Remember, the South was more than willing to leave in peace. And any reasons Lincoln had for fighting the war over the seizure of Federal property, i.e. the proximate cause for the events at Fort Sumter, could have been worked out, again, equitably as gentlemen, rather than through the butchering of 600,000 Americans over four years.
From the Mythology Lincoln is the Great Uniter and Buchanan, his predecessor, the Worst President in History simply because he refused to either bail out the railroad banks in 1857 or prevent the South’s secession in 1860.
What if the mythology of America today has these two wars backwards? What if all the conservatives mourning the Constitution today thanks to a feckless Supreme Court and treasonous Congress have it all wrong? What if the America they mourn the death of today died in 1865 not 2020?
Would that America still be worth finally fighting a bloody civil war for? Because that’s what The Davos Crowd is daring Donald Trump to do.
What if the better response is to do what the South tried to do and failed.
Simply walk away and say, “No more.”
Because fighting the bloody war of all against all, becoming raving fascists rising up to stop the rapacious (and economically backwards) communists in the process is always the wrong option.
Secession is always an option. Opting out of the hyper-collectivizing impulses of in-group/out-group bias is always the right choice. They want us to throw the first punch, to lash out, fire first out of fear, c.f. Fort Sumter, to justify their brutality afterwards.
But, as I said in the quote above, the states with the grievances today are the ones that produce the wealth of this fiction known as the U.S. It’s where the food is grown, the electricity generated, the goods produced and people aren’t shitting in the streets.
The food lines may be long in Texas but there’s still food to distribute.
The balance of power in the U.S. today in real terms is reverse of what existed in 1860. Post-Trump America looks a lot different than pre-Lincoln.
Because of that and the reality that the people pulling off this great coup against sanity are some of the most unimpressive leaders in history, the potential for a successful secession is far higher than it was for the Confederacy.
Brandon Smith is right that they invoke the Confederacy to shame conservatives as racists, conflating issues separated by more than 150 years of history. This is why the all-out assault on the history of the war, whitewashing it of any nuance.
Theirs is a mind-virus that grows beyond the ability of the oligarchy to control. And it is truly best to not just walk but run away from such people. Better to let them sink into their own cesspit of ideological rabbit holes while keeping the lines of trade open, if they have anything worth selling, of course.
They will turn on themselves soon enough.
Having grown up a Yankee and matured as a Southerner I’ve seen this descent of the American mythology from both perspectives. The eleven year-old me knew this day would come.
The Mythology of America is just that, mythology, worth using as the basis for the new story rather than a shackle keeping us chained down, staring at the Abyss and despairing at what was lost.
New York was a dream not a fixture in the night sky. God didn’t put his finger on the Empire State Building and spin the world.
Because Texas was too big for it to ever stay in balance, even if he did. And California is one bad day away from Big One which washes it from our memory.
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One of your very few weak articles: the South did secede, the Industrial North did print money, buy mercenaries, and Drive Old Dixie Down. It would be far worse today. Secede to avoid violence?? Wake up. Armed rebellion now or a century of Bolshevism. Read the Solzhenitsyn quote from PCR’s lead post today.
yes, the quote from a cia plant is werry werry wise😂
the education in murca is a joke, but the biggest joke is you murcans…
Anon: agree w/ you. Militias and Oath Keepers with rifles will converge on Wash DC Jan 4-6th and make demands: https://www.brighteon.com/e1779f7a-4030-4a83-969b-4c3c9667b765 Soon the Marxist pair will rule as less than 10% of adults know what the H is really going on with the World Econ. forum pushing depopulation and land grabs, stack and pack city apts, agenda 2030 full throttle. Masking is a pysops. technocracy.news and worldeconomicforum.com for updates. Patriots must have armed resistance or it is all over w/ mass genocide. 90% will never wake up , lack left brain thinking skills, and will comply w/ anything incl family separation and taking houses, cars, marching them into death camps. Soon, me and others over 70 yrs old will be praying for results and defend our community if needed. America is falling fast into another Stalinist type regime unless armed rebellion to stop it.
Jimmy Brown the Newsboy – Flatt and Scruggs
This song is about murcan and European children in the near future.
I also agree that peaceful solution is impossible. Those people are so tyrannical that they do not accept even minimum freedom.
And the problem is not only US but global. Yugoslavia, Yemen, Libya, Syria , Ukraine, now Belarus and many other countries are not part of US and maybe people are heard what happened, when people down there tried to manage their countries their own way.
This time there will be fight. I have 3 good news.
1. Fight will be global, so there will be a lot of allies, most much more aggressive and
experienced than average US normie.
2. Contrary to popular opinion, Global Elite is very weak and very dumb. They are like
crocodiles or sharks. Monsters from the past, very dangerous when fight goes by their rules
but not intelligent and absolutely incapable to do anything outside their comfort zone.
3.Those people have so terrible character that even their own servants hate them. In normal
circumstances this does not matter but in the crisis situation this is very relevant.
Had anybody seen the movie Hannibal ? What happened to Mason Verger when world renowned healthcare specialist Dr. Hannibal Lecter offered his colleague Dr. Cordell to use the opportunity and do some….Covid19 distancing ?
Of course there will be a time to fight but secession is the right path not trying to save the republic which was already dead.
Never start a fight but always finish it. Simple. But sometimes you have to break through people’s emotions and get them back to center by challenging their assumptions.
Secession is “Divide and be conquered”. The States are presently run by a thin veneer of scum as is the world in general. Other commenters rightly point out that we are not in a vacuum and the people/producers of the world are willing to fight for REAL capital/money and when the “elites” personal servants don’t show up for work, or better yet, string them up, we may well be on our planetary way to just societies. We need to strengthen the Union/Republic, repealing several Amendments along the way before we declare every man for himself in the face of the globalist nazis for submission. The Republic is not dead because it was never really alive but for propaganda that it was. If you destroy the “idea” of the Republic, it will truly be dead.
Wrong. You cannot win a war of opposition against these people. You win by forcing them to fight a war of attrition trying to keep you in their system. Look at the damage done to the EU in the past four years over Brexit.
Secession is always the moral high ground. If they come after you, defend yourself but fighting them for ‘the republic’ is exactly what they want you to do.
They argue big must fight big. They can’t even stop Hungary from embarrassing them.
I had been a proponent of secession since before the turn of the century. The necessity of that move was readily apparent before University and law school.
But times have changed, not only are the interests of the States disparate and beyond compromise, but we have been injured and victimized by politicians since Hoover. Armed conflict is the order of the day. The People need to take their governments back. And while doing so, raise all the favorite politicians, save none, to new heights on Pennsylvania Avenue on short rope as notice to all who might follow in their steps: their way is not how America runs.
Secession does not offer the chance to duly repay the felons running the country. We need a just resolve. Freedom without justice is worthless.
In Jefferson’s words, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” The People’s Spring has come and there is a lot of watering to do. Now is the time for a Second Revolution to extend and preserve the freedoms and liberty bestowed upon The People by the forefathers. Their vision was true, correct, and uncompromising. So must we be. ©2020
You will never get reparations for what’s been stolen. Fighting a war to retake the cesspit in D.C. is the ultimate ‘sunk cost fallacy.’
Write down the asset and cut your losses. Let them send us a bill. Look how far that got the EU. Brexit is your model. We’ll take most of the military assets in the process and there won’t be shit they can say about it.
This modern society is too complex for secession in 2020, too man gov. employees, contractors with 401k’s and others have businesses and will not/cannot up and move. Agree w/ above, esp pt#2: elite make dumb moves otherwise this country would have been taken over in the W. Wilson admin. early 1900’s.
Excellent reply. Violence begets violence. Withdrawal of consent is necessary. Peaceful divorce is always better than spousal homicide.
I have to say I have been saying the same thing for a while there is nothing to save. Whoever would won half would be miserable. Time for secession.
Secession IS always preferable. But in this case impossible. As you sort of point out, virtually all the essentials of civilization are produced in and / or transported through conservative areas. While I agree we should attempt it, we must be prepared for immediate violence as they would never let us go peacefully. We could survive and prosper without them, but they could not survive without us. They know this, and it is the genesis of their obvious self-hatred which they project onto us; “embrace our freakish and narcissistic nihilism or we will burn the cities where we, not you, live”. No civilization can survive while tolerating these people. Nothing could be more obvious. To put it bluntly, they have to be gotten rid of. Who could imagine letting them rule? That is insane.
Besides, a secession would soon result in mass exodus from communist areas, caused first by fleeing the insane policies (already happening) and then by hyperinflation.
In the CW2 novel I am writing they are driven onto ships or into Canada, and then consequences are visited upon the internationalist elites globally. If the only alternative is totalitarianism, such may be the only way to survive. This is obviously being forced on the conservatives.
Yuup, they must be gotten rid of. And agree “S” now is impossible.
The thing that concerns me about pursuing the route of secession is that it will not be an even split between two blocks, but rather a splintering into many several groups and individual states. My fear would be for us to form a “New Europe” where resource/industrial rich countries use their wealth to control surrounding state to create self-benefiting trade agreements to further perpetuate their power.
Also, a fractured union will open us up to war on our continent like we have never known. Take a look at the military history of Europe and you will see what lies in our future. Don’t be fooled by the recent period of peace in Europe since WW2. This was contrived and maintained by the Bretton Wood system. For example do you really think that an independent California wouldn’t go to war for water? I know you have said in your podcast that Florida is capable of standing on its own and that may be true, but what happens if the confederacy of Arkansas, Tennessee, Mississippi & Alabama decide they need those deep water ports in Florida? Can Florida stand alone? Florida could find allies of its own and fight off the invasion, but is that the life we want to live, when we might be able to preserve the union that make access to those ports possible to all the states?
Secession will also end inter-state commerce as we know it. I can build a product in Texas and sell it anywhere in this union without tariff. How long before individual states begin to protect their industry by introducing tariffs on their neighbors? How long before they begin to restrict access to the waterways and interstates that have fed the economy of this union for generations for their individual interest.
The dissolution of the USA will have a profound impact on the health, safety and trade of the people on the North American continent. It is not something that should be discussed without considering the long term effects for future generations. As long as we live in this fallen world the powerful will abuse the weak and poor. Our founders tried to create a union that gave the weak states an equal voice and true, it has worked with varying effect. However, its not something we should walk away from lightly.
If Fl and Tx leave they will take pretty much all the states that backed Texas’ election lawsuit with them. That was a gauntlet being thrown at DC NY and CA
And the reality is that the real power is in these states while the tyrants rest on past laurels. Don’t underestimate Oracle moving to Austin or Newsmax rising in the ratings. These are your signs that capital flows to where it is treated best.
How will you do this geographically? Will the people from Wyoming and Montana move to Alabama and Mississippi? There are no elk in the South.
If FL and TX leave, they will take every state that voted Trump and likely we’ll see secession movements within ‘Biden’ states like Eastern OR,WA,CA gaining a lot of ground.
Think in terms of which states are oppressing which states and you’ll see the break points very easily.
Too many work for the fed. gov. today incl the contractors, they have gov. retirement plans and they would not want to move where there are no jobs in their field. Secession would create chaos in the work force and those that moved to conservative areas would be cut off from pensions or 401ks unless they stayed in the liberal states. This incl military and rail road pensions for retirees.
The same way America happened with only 30% supporting the Colonies.
Events are not pushed by the majority. They are pushed by the radicalized minority. Hence why the commies are winning when they are only, at best, 8% of the population.
Y’all are making excuses for why things can’t happen. Start thinking about how things are happening.
Will the liberal areas still pay the pensions/benefits of workers who left to live int he deep south if states separate? Too many families scattered and would have to relocate.
I believe that a secession movement is the right path. In order to be successful, though, I think that it needs to be focused. I have promoted the idea to Ted Cruz, who may not yet be ready to leave the nest but has the intellectual and rhetorical skills to lead such a movement. My suggestion to him and to you, who write so convincingly about the merits of the secession option, is to focus the movement on the Texas Republic of antiquity. That flame, I believe, still burns in many Texans and has become part of the great American mythology of rugged individualism, God, and freedom. The stand at the Alamo remains the greatest stand for freedom in our history. I was particularly encouraged in this idea by the State of Texas leading the recent lawsuit which attempted to use constitutional means to overturn the fraudulent election. When the Supreme Court passed on that one, I knew we were done for in terms of “legal” ways for undoing the current outrage. Let Texas be the linchpin of the movement, and let it include most if not all of the Central swath of the country that supported Trump. Just present the option and I believe that the freedom loving people of this country will come running.
As you say, it need not be violent. It seems that all of the guns are in the hands of the Trump people and they are the ones who know how to use them. As with the idea of national defense, the possession of great firepower is the best guarantee for success without having to actually use it. As you also said, the necessities of life mostly come from the Central breadbasket of this country. The likelihood of success without having to use violence is high. Thank you for raising the issue here.
You are welcome. Here in Florida we’re not all that happy with things either and it won’t take much to get people properly outraged
We’ve got our own little secession movement here where the outlying parts of Alachua County want to split off from Commie Gainesville and form a new county. It’s happened before and I think they will have it before the legislative in the next few years.
That secession plan would work only if Gainesville does not become a “hole” surrounded by an outlying “donut.” It would have to be like Seminole splitting off from Orange. FTR, I live in central FL, but farther south.
Gina, that flame still burns in this native Texan, even though FL has been my home for >20 years. Texas was once its own nation, and it could be again (and far more successful this time).
Look up the Springs County Initiative. Its the Western and Northern parts of Alachua breaking off. So yes it can work and it will just like Gilchrist split off from Alachua in 1925
Glad to hear that you are almost a neighbor to me Tom!
Maybe we can meet one day. I’m about 45 minutes south of Commie Gainesville. Here is my assessment of this situation now…
Like Brandon, I totally agree that a gun grab is not in their best interest, and so that is not likely. I also think there will be no mandatory vaccination, but they will bribe people or cut off their government aid, or require a passed Covid test for a ‘travel permit’, in order to ‘coerce’ them into the vaccine.
In other words, they will use financial coercion, not physical coercion.
Brandon’s suggestions for side stepping this are all great, and we should implement as many of them as possible. That third option that Brandon mentioned is definitely the best one!
It seems that they are worried that they are losing control, so they went all out in desperation to retain their control. They probably did over extend themselves, since they are in a do or die desperation to survive. Any ‘Covid-19’ vaccine will be ineffective against any new ‘Covid-21’ virus, so this shows how desperate they are. The same for flu vaccines that are always 1-2 years behind the current strain, and why they are not very effective in any given year. Viruses are a moving target, with the ‘odds’ not favorable for any vaccine.
The debate on secession is one that I will pass on, since it may just turn into another “lost cause” like the last one. The South was Right then, but this is an entirely different situation now.
Ever since this global take over started in March, I have approached it as a criminal investigation. As most criminal investigators would, I suspected foul play from the beginning.
Since then I have collected far more than enough evidence to support that foul play is involved in every aspect of this massive crime.
The problem is that there are too many crimes involved, with too many co conspirators and partners in crime for any single investigator to investigate.
Fortunately, we have several teams of investigators to investigate and expose every aspect of this massive tangle of crimes. Correlating and connecting all of the pieces is next.
Let us all join forces, and compare our evidence to connect those dots that will convince the non believers…
Tom, I totally agree that succession is a better strategy, than revolution, because:
1. The worst strategy is to do what your enemy wants you to do.
2. It’s the most moral course of action, which strengthens your cohesion, attracts the uncommitted and weakens the democrats cohesion. The entire premise of Sun Tzu’s:Art of War, is that conflict is immoral, but a part of the human condition, so fight your conflicts as morally as possible.
3. America’s too big. Look at the innovation, quality and efficiency of the decision making that results from centralized decision making in Washington. No wonder America is turning into a third world shithole.
Never fight on ground prepared by your enemy
Copper has started doing some statistically significant trending this year for the first time in years and years. I wonder if a commodities bull market has started?
Merry Christmas Tom
It has. Merry Christmas Rob
It means the Great Recep trumps the Great Reset and Soros and the Globalist ideologues are getting flushed down the toilet bowl of history.
Totally agree with all you said, and all of us here know that the South Was Right, and we really wish they could have just been allowed to leave peacefully, but the Lincolnites would not have that. So here we are facing that same situation again, but in a totally different world. There may still be a split, but it may be too late for that now.
BTW, I admire, read and respect Sun Tzu too.
This is the most beautiful copy that I have ever seen of The Art of War, and it includes Lao Tzu’s Tao Te Ching too. Leather bound with gold page edging, and a ribbon marker. Really nice and cheap!
I too think the Civil war was unnecessary. And for all the Lincoln worship, albeit he had some remarkable gifts, why was saving the Union preeminent over all else? And at what cost, then till now. The idea of seceding looks like the only viable solution to the reality that we have two mental countries which will never agree. It would be an incredible experiment with a West/East Berlin flavor to it. I think most would be willing to take an enormous hit to realize the freedoms and liberties that were originally intended. And as the other side dissolves before our eyes the resolve to hold the ground with the necessary military to defend. Excellent read. Much appreciated.
Thank you Michael.
The so called ‘Civil War’ was not a ‘Civil War’ by definition, a ‘Civil War’ is one where 2 factions are trying to take over the same government, which was definitely not the case. The South created their own new CSA government, and simple wanted to go there peacefully. This is a crucial difference to understand.
Lincoln would not accept that, and started the war to prevent that, then they painted it as a ‘Civil War’ to absolve their guilt in starting it. His story is always written by the victors in their view…
I too had premonitions of the future as an early teenager in the 70’s. I was besotted by technology and was part of the rapidly developing communications industry. Yet at the same time as my enthusiasm for building mobile radios I felt that in years to come technology would be ruinous to society. In those days we didn’t know or care what was going on in Timbuktu, but today our minds are bombarded and fearful of World issues.
My dad was a bank manager, and he drilled it into me to save for a pension. In the back of my mind I knew that by the time got to retirement pensions would probably be worthless.
Interesting read. When I toured the Martin Van Buren home in upstate NY, I mentioned the series of “nobody” one-term presidents that preceded Lincoln. The Historical Park Service ranger disagreed that they were nobodies but conceded that none had succeeded in solving the growing north/ south divide. At the Gettysburg Historical Park I learned the specifics of the Gettysburg address. Wasn’t the thought then that the “experiment” of democracy was too new then, just 80-years-old, to let burst apart (gov’t by the people, for the people, etc, shall not perish from this earth?), a newness argument that might not wash today?
Secession is an option, and is already occurring Sub Rosa by the population and corporate shifts from the Commiecrat controlled zones to more favorable economic and civic climes. Not just Oracle, but Tesla, are moving to Texas, and CA & NY are hemorrhaging population when not obscured by the flood of illegal alien invaders. Perceived value of real assets there will soon follow the inevitable realities of supply and demand. Texas & Florida populations are burgeoning because capital and personal initiative are actually rewarded there.
Yet in a complex interrelated society such as we have, there would be severe consequences from any secession. Firstly, the urban centers of the Commiecrat zone would literally starve in the dark if they opted to violently resist the separation. They don’t produce enough to sustain their population, and transportation of commodities is largely a labor done by conservatives with capital equipment.
There is much to consider! Sen. Cruz and Gov. Desantis are potential young leaders for such a new nation. The Trumpians are not a personality cult. We’ve always known that his shelf life was limited. But, like Rush, he was able to give voice and leadership to the patriot hearts that believe in the American Mythology, if you want call it that, Tom.
I think you overstate that mythological premise, for free enterprise, personal property, and self responsibility are innate urges closely held by the productive members of society.
MERRY CHRISTMAS, everyone!!
Writing is all about picking a premise and running it through the wringer. The Mythology of America is this week’s article, now that I have your attention we’ll get into the finer details.
You are correct as to what drives that American Mythology, my job here at this moment in time is to poke you into getting beyond that Myth and assert something deeper.
Mission accomplished I would say. :)
What’s important now for conservatives is to take the constructive parts of the Myth and mold it into something better, more adapted to today rather than try to hold onto all of the past.
There are real men of character coming up out of the woodwork here. As I said in my recent article about Tulsi Gabbard, conflict doesn’t create character, it reveals it.
DeSantis has legitimately surprised me in a very good way. The guy has real stones. That inspires others to rise to the occasion and it’s why I expect FL, not TX, to get angry enough to do something drastic first. Not to mention the Trump effect.
Merry Christmas to you as well, sir!
Yes, DeSantis has surprised me as well, though I was hopeful, just as Kemp and other RINOs have disappointed. Abbott is perilously close to that precipice, and as a native Texan, that concerns me.
The Bushes and their proxies have done enough damage to the Republic. Exit stage left, where you actually belong! Your corporate cronyism will no longer define the conservative Party.
The problem with the break up model is that it is not permanent. There will be a civil war regardless. You can have it now and over or some 20-30 years hence.
Let us assume that there is a ‘peaceful’ secession. It won’t stay that way. The West coast will fall under the spell of China. The Northeast coast will fall under the spell of a fascist largess. Imagine the Northeast as NY is today, only 5x worse as Cuomo enters his sixth term as ‘president’. Both economies will be in shambles while the Union of States export their way to prosperity.
The East and West with continuing strife due to failing socialist polices applies the time honored ‘blame the other’. Continued propaganda leads to border wars like pre civil war Kansas. With floods of refugees from East and West coupled with continued border wars now at company sized engagements war is engaged. East and West enjoy early successes, but as UoS rips up trade agreements with East and West siege mentality encroaches. With water, food and electricity cut off the East is the first to fall. Due to China support the fall of the West takes some time, but eventually capitulates.
At wars end, what was Washington DC is now treated as a theme park & historical monument.
I’m glad you’ve cracked open the Overton window on the topic of secession, great essay Tom and some thoughtful comments above. A suggestion for a future podcast – you and John Michael Greer I think would have a good conversation about the topic. He’s written on the future of the USA in some detail, including writing a couple book-length works of fiction. They are a good read, and serve as a useful framework to talk about a possible realistic (nonfiction) outcomes.
The characters call it “the Partition” in one of his stories. I see a likely outcome as partition – states or regions banding together because of locally shared goals and values, because the national government is becoming as impotent as it is incompetent. And it may happen as what I call a “soft” partition – where the federal government maintains the fiction of a united 50 states, and the regions do what it takes to maintain the fiction but in reality pursue their own goals for their economy, defense and (perhaps) even the benefit of the citizenry. A greatly preferable outcome compared to an outright breakup or a revolution.
I love me a “Dune” reference. Dune is a fascinating thought-experiment on cycles of oppression and power, and what a people become once there are no other options left to them. The Fremen remained free in the face of insurmountable tyranny. They formed a separate, hidden society with its own code of honor and duty. They used what wealth and resources they had available to negotiate with the outside world (spice in Dune, the products of their land and labor in the Flyover states. Fancy that.)
I‘m sorry to say this, but I think most people here and in general are looking at things largely through the lens of normalcy bias, in the sense that one assumes weird, intolerable things can only continue for so long, that we have passed that point and that surely an imminent burst of sorts is up next. In other words, the yardstick by which folks are measuring the possibility and proximity of change is based on assumptions that no longer hold true. We are not in Kansas anymore. Just look at how long the Fed — and the Gov as a whole – has been able to kick the can down the road. Yes, by normal standards something is long overdue to burst, but we under estimate the current stubbornness of homeostasis and the PTB‘s strangle hold on the masses via psychological manipulation (and surveillance) of various kinds. Analysis based on outdated data is destined to fail woefully. Just as an example, Occupy Wallstreet was infiltrated and sabotaged, and Bernie was twice castrated. He is now a Mandarian court eunuch. And lest we forget, an election was then taken out from under the entire populous and a sitting President effectively taken out. He now looks like a little helpless pussycat. Just like all the chest beating that followed that steal, people are now acting out and proclaiming big things again. It‘s not gonna happen folks. It‘s LOR darkness descending to ground level in the realm; that is to sa, we are in the midst of an archetypal descent. Better to think of how to face and deal with that than to engage in wishful thinking.
You have to start planning somewhere and sometime, even if all you are doing is building a lifeboat.
If violence is such a successful tactic, then the last 10,000 years of human history should have given us a lesson in its efficacy. All I see is a mess.
I think intelligent responses to problems should begin to take precedence over violent ones.
Reflections of a Canadian
Social divisions in the United States have polarized during the Trump administration to the point where some are willing to arm themselves and succeed from the Union. In your post, Tom, you point out that classic liberalism has morphed into global totalitarianism, and resisting totalitarianism is worth fighting for. Yes it is, but the way to do it is not by insurrection and dismemberment for those options even if successful would be hugely costly. If not outright war then countless uprisings. Hundreds of thousands will die, perhaps a million in the shortages which will follow.
Negotiation and compromise will bring the desired results.
Not everyone who voted for Joe Biden is a communist, nor is everyone who voted to Donald Trump a klansman. Moderates and clear thinkers can be found on both sides. Find the common ground. Isolate the issues (and there are many) and figure out, not the ideal solutions, but ones that will get you through. What is obvious is that the present members of the House and Senate should be replaced by a new generation of candidates. And this can be achieved in four years simply by voting them out of office.
I can’t imagine a loose federation of American states thwarting Japanese ambitions in 1941, nor can I see that same federation thwarting Chinese expansion in the Pacific in 2041. The Balkans countries while achieving independence for member states have been plagued by civil war and unrest. Racial, religious, and cultural differences are exposed, brought to the fore, hostility simmers on every border. Do you think that the newly created states will have easily recognized borders? Succession isn’t a game of Monopoly where you trade Marvin Gardens for Park Place. Every square acre of land will be fought over just as fiercely as it was in 1863 for the Jeff Davis’s and Abe Lincoln’s will rise again.
Fragmentation leads to weakness. Look at the recent military growth of China and Russia. America needs to be economically and militarily strong, and to be strong you have to be united.
You seriously misunderstand the extent to what is happening here. If you think this is about great powers struggles between the US and CHina/Russia you are sadly mistaken.
This is about Europe and the subservience to what they have built and will continue to try and build while destroying the U.S. as a monolithic structure.
The best way to resist these fools and demons is to walk away from them with our productive capacity in check and let the proto-communists sink into their own private hells.
BTW, that’s exactly what is happening to you in Canada. That’s what Trudeau signed you up and sold you our for. WWIII is here, but it’s not a military war, it is an ideological and informational war.
And please, folks. it’s ‘secession’ not ‘succession’… two radically different concepts.
And they won’t fight us for our land sir, we have the guns, the military installations and the C&C. Seriously, go look at a map of where the disposition of forces is, where the gun owners are and where the food is produced. And it ain’t in NYC, LA or DC.
Tom, we desperately need a national leader to organize an en masse Covid rebellion and to start the secession movement. Without a national leader with an essential national megaphone, I see little hope. Almost half of the country will never hear the truth; and time is growing short. Do you believe this needed leadership will emerge in time?
The enemy may be much fewer in number; but they have power and control of much of the world; and in the U.S. they control government intelligence agencies, large corporations, most national media, big tech, big pharma, the education system and probably the military industrial complex. I fear the ‘great reset’ may have progressed so far as to be unavoidable.
But in case it can be avoided, you should listen to this interview Mike Maloney (goldsilver.com) had with Dan Larimer (major block chain inventor) on using block chain to engineer freedom:
To obtain more information, Dan will have a book published soon. If the Mythology of America can start again in whatever form, using the vision of our forefathers, Dan’s knowledge and products will help insure that it will succeed this time, because corruption of leadership will no longer be possible. True government by the people and for the people.
Clinging to my gold, goats, guns and whatever rays of hope are left, I remain a very concerned citizen who does not want to be a bug-protein-eating slave of technocracy.
I’m not conversant enough about blockchain methodology to express an informed conclusion. From what I DO know, there seems to be great potential. I’ve seen discussion about using it for voting in the future. But that leads to new, and even more non-transparency issues.
I can understand secession. I have a hard time conceiving of finding common ground with the Left, since they have abandoned the Judeo-Christian groundings, not to mention the written Constitution concept.
If Trump can manage to regain the WH, then there is a sliver of a chance for significant reform going forward. We’ll have to see what happens in GA, the EC, and court cases.
I don’t think Trump will be successful, but something dramatic may yet happen. Plan on the worst and hope for the better.
Tom, I’d put the odds at under 10%, but that could change rapidly with one State legislature stepping up, or a SCOTUS ruling favorable to Trump.
I just find it hard to believe that GOP legislators, bad as they are, are willing to allow an openly owned CCP asset to ascend to the highest office. Especially so vis transparently corrupt means.
Trump is no messiah, but he is reflecting the needs and wants of the public!
Thank you the exquisite and historically relevant post, Mr. Luongo.
This libertarian viewpoint about the current unsustainability of the political and social climate in the US is the only respectable opinion to a rational person. Why is either side (the communists and the conservatives) not accepting the obvious truth that a divorce of “irreconcilable differences” is by far the most preferred option to an all-out bloodbath?
Well, I guess it’s because people (and not just politicians in power) are obsessed with controlling people and then subjugating them. Far too many hold beliefs that show they are all too willing to dominate others. This cynical outlook on how we solve our differences may be most obvious on the left, but as a conservative, you are right when you say that those on the right would be drawn to it as well.
Anyway, and again, thank you for the astute analysis. Since coming here I have found your posts to be very thought-provoking and enlightening. Cheers!
You are welcome Joshua. Thank you for reading and I hope to continue provoking more thought. :)
This will happen when people are duped into believing that there is someone who is good enough to rule over them.
Who are the elites? Do we have names for them and how do the Patriots stop them?
The that show up at Davos every year. That’s where you start
This is a very good piece, Luongo. You made very intriguing arguments. However, I disagree with your depiction of the civil war.
In 1860, the states were no longer the same ones which acceded to the declaration of independence. They were new states in the mix such as Texas and Louisiana. The federal government paid for Louisiana with its treasure, and fought for, and defended with blood, the annexation of Texas. These were legitimate shared commitments that the united states made together after 1776. It is inconceivable, after such sacrifice and expenditure, that the federal government should allow these states to secede freely and continue to tyranize over a segment of the citizenry.
Violence is the only effective measure against violence. Violence is a human expression. Refusing to fight is the reason these deplorables are now in the plight they find themselves in.
Luongo, you are brilliant. You must, however, buttress your insight with courage.
Alvin, I will not condone violence period.
I am but a semi-heathen in the heart of the USA. Like you I normally do not lean left nor right, I think everyone has their issues, ideas and so on. I do agree that government has gotten too “big” for lack of a better figurative word, because we do outnumber them and we should NEVER forget that. You all do have great points all around for secession, for revolution… But in my minds eye, I would see secession as a revolution really, albeit not violent in the physical sense so much as in the mental and emotional sense. It would certainly be an eye opener on both sides, I have no doubt. Thanks for the thoughts and opinions, for everything truly begins as a thought or opinion until we explore it
IT IS TIME FOR SECESSION! WE GOOD PEOPLE WHO LOVE HONESTY AND CHRIST CAN NO LONGER TOLERATE THIS CHEATING AND LYING. iT IS TIME. LETS PUT A PLAN TOGETHER.
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